2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by orange3.9stang
25 MPG highway is impressive until you take into account Chevy managed to get the same rating with it's heavier SS Camaro with A/T (M/T is 24).

For some strange reason, the Mustang 3.7L M/T looses 1 MPG vs. A/T, so if this is also the case with the 5.0L GT, they've matched both Camaro numbers ... anyone else not all excited about 25 MPG now ??

The A/T Camaro gains it's meager 1 MPG highway over the M/T version with 26 less HP AND cylinder deactivation !!

The Mustang's 3.7L w/ A/T will be one-upping the Camaro V6 on both city & highway MPG with 19/30 vs. 18/29 (M/T one-ups on city only 18/29 vs. 17/29), so I thought with less curb weight & 81% of displacent Ford would be able to one-up the SS Camaro too on MPG rather than simply matching it.

Just something to think about.

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The question is, who came up with the 25 mpg figure? Is it the official EPA number or Ford's estimate? I think that Ford has had a few new car releases lately where their estimate was surpassed by the official EPA numbers. Not that anybody looking to buy a car like this is going to make their choice based on a 1 mpg difference, anyway.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by orange3.9stang
25 MPG highway is impressive until you take into account Chevy managed to get the same rating with it's heavier SS Camaro with A/T (M/T is 24).

For some strange reason, the Mustang 3.7L M/T looses 1 MPG vs. A/T, so if this is also the case with the 5.0L GT, they've matched both Camaro numbers ... anyone else not all excited about 25 MPG now ??
Um, no. I'm plenty excited about 412HP and 25MPG. Yeah, GM does a great job getting high MPG out of their big V8 motors. That doesn't lessen Ford's accomplishment at all. Think it through again- this car makes 412 HP and gets 25 MPG on the freeway. No matter how you slice it, this is a good thing.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeejolts
Um, no. I'm plenty excited about 412HP and 25MPG. Yeah, GM does a great job getting high MPG out of their big V8 motors. That doesn't lessen Ford's accomplishment at all. Think it through again- this car makes 412 HP and gets 25 MPG on the freeway. No matter how you slice it, this is a good thing.
True (though considering the way I drive I'd be lucky to 20 mpg).
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Ford isn't going to advertise 25mpg if it didn't get that in the EPA cycle. That'd be suicide and a lawsuit waiting to happen. See the early model RX-8 hp debate if you want a potential outcome of that.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Wow, someone at Ford has really got some ***** lately. The Raptor, 400+ hp Mustang GTs, twin turbo family sedans...

I doubted the 400hp GT and I can honestly say I think this is the happiest I have ever been while being wrong!
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Now that all the info is out there - does anyone know what the bore and stroke is?
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
Wow, someone at Ford has really got some ***** lately. The Raptor, 400+ hp Mustang GTs, twin turbo family sedans...

I doubted the 400hp GT and I can honestly say I think this is the happiest I have ever been while being wrong!
and don't forget that the Ford Racing program is going strong.....churnning out some killer track cars.
I see you're in Vancouver Mike. I'll be moving there at the end of March... I can't wait.
I'm looking forward to hitting the 1/4 mile track in Mission.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Ford isn't going to advertise 25mpg if it didn't get that in the EPA cycle. That'd be suicide and a lawsuit waiting to happen. See the early model RX-8 hp debate if you want a potential outcome of that.


What we are saying is, lately Ford has released new powertrains with "estimated" mileage claims. Then when the EPA testing was all said and done, the powertrain surpassed those earlier estimates. Like the Fusion Hybrid for example. With the 3.15 gears, I wouldn't be surpised to see a 26-27 mpg highway rating JUST to one-up GM.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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But... I thought GTJohn's source said 340 horsepower?!

Looks like Boomer was pretty much right-on, as always.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
Yeah but how much is a BMW with that motor? I realize the 5.0 is not the most efficient engine in the world. It's looking like a **** good one though.
Yeah, at what, 8K RPM?! And, does it even make 300 lb-ft of torque?
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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290 something. high revver
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bpmurr
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/18/i...-mustangs-5-0/

Torque is 390

Peak HP comes at 6,500 RPM

This car is going to be a blast to drive.
TQ at 6,500 rpm's is 333 lb ft (simple math from the HP figure above), so peak torque must be well below 6,500 rpm's since it's nearly 60 lb ft higher at peak than at 6,500 rpm's. Ford is great at keeping peak torque down lower (probably in the 4,250 to 4,750 range somewhere for the new 5.0L).
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
TQ at 6,500 rpm's is 333 lb ft (simple math from the HP figure above), so peak torque must be well below 6,500 rpm's since it's nearly 60 lb ft higher at peak than at 6,500 rpm's. Ford is great at keeping peak torque down lower (probably in the 4,250 to 4,750 range somewhere for the new 5.0L).
I'd say that's probably pretty accurate and would point to a redline around 6800-7000rpm.

Sunds like it's gonna have a decently broad power band.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cdvision
and don't forget that the Ford Racing program is going strong.....churnning out some killer track cars.
I see you're in Vancouver Mike. I'll be moving there at the end of March... I can't wait.
I'm looking forward to hitting the 1/4 mile track in Mission.
That's true. Thank god the Ford performance slump of the 90s is just a distant memory...in a big way!

Have fun out at Misssion, it's not a bad track. There's a great Mustang and Ford meet at Spanish Banks as well every year!

Good choice moving here after the olympics are over...I can't wait for that mess is done with.

BTW, why didn't they make the hp rating 416hp???? (the Mustangs Birthday!!!!!!!) April 16, 1964 Someone wasn't paying attention!
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
April 16, 1964 Someone wasn't paying attention!
Actually, it's April 17th, 1964, so that would be 417....
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by YSUsteven
I am not so sure that I believe that number, anyone else notice thats it the exact same HP/L as the 3.7L??? Its not the same engine, and I would not expect it to be exactly the same. Smells fishy to me...
Actually, I'd go the other way of this. The 5.0 has the same technology as the 3.7 so output should be the same HP/Liter.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
Actually, it's April 17th, 1964, so that would be 417....
Yeah, I guess that would be the right day. Apr 16 was the day the first commercials ran, but the next day was the public unveiling at the worlds fair.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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Awesome news!!

Someone should start a mockers thread for all the non-believers and their crow eating.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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Was hoping for 400+/400 #'s, but this if the 412/390 output is true, that's still darn good. Praise the Ford.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSugeKnight
The manual 3.7 Mustang loses 1mpg over the automatic due to only having 1 overdrive gear. 5th gear in the manual is 1:1. The automatic has 2 overdrive gears with 4th being 1:1.
I also remember reading that the 2011 automatic V6 Mustangs get skinnier tires than their manual trans counterparts, that will help the mpg numbers too.
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