412hp!!! Is it true???
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- Naturally aspriated, not a twin turbo like the BMW 4.4L
- Going into a car with a base price of 28k.
And, while we're on the subject of twin turbos and output per litre...
Ford Ecoboost 3.5L (Taurus SHO): 104.29HP/L
BMW 4.4LTT: 90.91HP/L
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It's impressive because this is in a fricken Mustang GT, not a $50k special edition (and hand built) Saleen or $70k M3.
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"To Ford Mustang fans, 5.0 means a lot, and the new 2011 5.0-liter V8 Mustang will deliver 412 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque, company officials said on Thursday. The information was supposed to be embargoed until Dec. 28, but news leaked out shortly after the announcement in Dearborn, Mich.
The new 5.0-liter Mustang produces 83 hp per liter yet will return 25 mpg, according to Ford marketing boss Jim Farley. The 5.0-liter Mustang’s main competitors are the Chevrolet Camaro SS, rated at 426 hp, and the Dodge Challenger SRT8, which makes 425 hp. Of course, the top-of-the-line Shelby GT500 and its supercharged V8 is rated at 540 hp.
What makes the brand-new V8 engine powering the ’Stang so potent is how engineers were able to allow the engine to breathe. All-new heads sit atop an all-new aluminum block with cast-iron cylinder sleeves. The wide distance between the heads allows for the intake ports to sit vertically on top of the engine. The engine features four valves per cylinder and twin independent variable valve timing. Tuned exhaust headers eliminate the need for aftermarket headers to let the engine breath better. Inside the engine are a forged-steel full counterweight crankshaft and four-bolt main bearings and high-performance pistons and connecting rods. Peak horsepower is reached at 6,500 rpm.
The new 5.0-liter Mustangs can be fitted with either the 6R80 automatic transmission or the MT82 six-speed manual.
The pony car will make its official debut at the Detroit auto show in January."
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2009...#ixzz0a3gPZuA0
So I am glad that we have a forged steel crankshaft but when they say perfformance pistons and rods does that also mean forged as well? I don't want to worry about blowing out the engine when adding a sc to the already potent 5.0
So what they are saying is that going aftermarket with headers will not yield that much of a gain or what? Will there even be a need to replace them except for changing the sound?
"To Ford Mustang fans, 5.0 means a lot, and the new 2011 5.0-liter V8 Mustang will deliver 412 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque, company officials said on Thursday. The information was supposed to be embargoed until Dec. 28, but news leaked out shortly after the announcement in Dearborn, Mich.
The new 5.0-liter Mustang produces 83 hp per liter yet will return 25 mpg, according to Ford marketing boss Jim Farley. The 5.0-liter Mustang’s main competitors are the Chevrolet Camaro SS, rated at 426 hp, and the Dodge Challenger SRT8, which makes 425 hp. Of course, the top-of-the-line Shelby GT500 and its supercharged V8 is rated at 540 hp.
What makes the brand-new V8 engine powering the ’Stang so potent is how engineers were able to allow the engine to breathe. All-new heads sit atop an all-new aluminum block with cast-iron cylinder sleeves. The wide distance between the heads allows for the intake ports to sit vertically on top of the engine. The engine features four valves per cylinder and twin independent variable valve timing. Tuned exhaust headers eliminate the need for aftermarket headers to let the engine breath better. Inside the engine are a forged-steel full counterweight crankshaft and four-bolt main bearings and high-performance pistons and connecting rods. Peak horsepower is reached at 6,500 rpm.
The new 5.0-liter Mustangs can be fitted with either the 6R80 automatic transmission or the MT82 six-speed manual.
The pony car will make its official debut at the Detroit auto show in January."
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2009...#ixzz0a3gPZuA0
So I am glad that we have a forged steel crankshaft but when they say perfformance pistons and rods does that also mean forged as well? I don't want to worry about blowing out the engine when adding a sc to the already potent 5.0
So what they are saying is that going aftermarket with headers will not yield that much of a gain or what? Will there even be a need to replace them except for changing the sound?
I think just like when they improved the stock CAI, it will be the same with the headers... the 10's don't gain too much from a CAI like the 05-09's did. so i am assuming the same pattern will follow if they improved the headers.
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Uhhh, that BMW 4.4 liter's horsepower is at 8,300rpm. You have been mis-informed if you heard it was at 5,500. The torque is at 3,900rpm and it is around 100 ft/lbs less than what the Mustang's 5.0 will achieve. Think of it as a V8 version of a Honda Vtec 4cyl and you have it. Impressive HP for its size, but not that impressive overall once you see the revs needed or the lack of torque. The 5.0 looks to be a great engine. Why not compare it to the 6.2 liter 4V V8 in the C63 AMG Mercedes? It makes 451hp with 32 valves and 6.2 liters. Now there are stronger versions of that engine throughout AMG's line-up, but we also hear that there will be stonger versions of the Ford 5.0 4V. Mercedes/AMG builds strong-running torquey powerplants and size for size the Ford 5.0 stacks up well IMHO.
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It is amazing how engine technology is progressing. My 81 vette has a 5.7L V8 that produced 190HP from the factory and achieves 16MPG. The new 5.0L makes 412HP and gets 25MPG in the Mustang. We're having our cake and eating it too. The "good old days" are right now, people!
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Yes, it is impressive, because this engine is
Ford Ecoboost 3.5L (Taurus SHO): 104.29HP/L
BMW 4.4LTT: 90.91HP/L
- Naturally aspriated, not a twin turbo like the BMW 4.4L
- Going into a car with a base price of 28k.
Ford Ecoboost 3.5L (Taurus SHO): 104.29HP/L
BMW 4.4LTT: 90.91HP/L
The BMW is N/A.
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we're getting confused on the different bmw engines. There's a 4.0 liter v8 in the m3 that revs beyond 8K with 414 hp and 300 tq, and then there's the 4.4 liter twin turbo v8 in the x6 and the 750i (and soon to be 550i) that revs over 6K with 400hp, 450tq Completely different motors. Anywho, this new 5.0 looks AWESOME.
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So there's a BMW 4.0 V8, N/A in the M3. Then there's the newer 4.4L TT V8 in the larger cars. Two different engines. BMW is switching to direct injection twin turbo engines from their past high-revving high specific output N/A mills due to fuel economy concerns, and I personally think lack of torque (M5 5.0 V10 380lb-ft). The next M5 is reportedly a pumped up 4.4 TT V8 @ 550hp, 500lb-ft.
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And there's a N/A 4.4L V8 in the M3 GTS (which is around $170K -- a bit more expensive that I originally thought). When I read the original argument about the Coyote vs. the BMW 4.4L V8 I was thinking of the base M3 (I forgot it was only a 4.0L). I consciously made the jump to the M3 because that's the only competitor to a V8 powered Mustang that BMW makes.
If we're talking about the new 5.0 vs a 4.4L TT V8, then what's the point? Anyone can slap two turbos on an engine and make power. That's not impressive at all.
If we're talking about the new 5.0 vs a 4.4L TT V8, then what's the point? Anyone can slap two turbos on an engine and make power. That's not impressive at all.
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And there's a N/A 4.4L V8 in the M3 GTS (which is around $170K -- a bit more expensive that I originally thought). When I read the original argument about the Coyote vs. the BMW 4.4L V8 I was thinking of the base M3 (I forgot it was only a 4.0L). I consciously made the jump to the M3 because that's the only competitor to a V8 powered Mustang that BMW makes.
If we're talking about the new 5.0 vs a 4.4L TT V8, then what's the point? Anyone can slap two turbos on an engine and make power. That's not impressive at all.
If we're talking about the new 5.0 vs a 4.4L TT V8, then what's the point? Anyone can slap two turbos on an engine and make power. That's not impressive at all.
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So I am glad that we have a forged steel crankshaft but when they say perfformance pistons and rods does that also mean forged as well? I don't want to worry about blowing out the engine when adding a sc to the already potent 5.0
So what they are saying is that going aftermarket with headers will not yield that much of a gain or what? Will there even be a need to replace them except for changing the sound?
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