2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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I wonder if they will release a pic of the 5.0 badge prior to the actual release of the car like they did with the updated pony in 2010???

I agree, if it has the big "L" it needs to go.

They are using this same font it seems on all logos now, so I think it will be pretty close.

Those poor Ford designers sure have it hard with us don't they?! Look at the amount of scrutiny they get just on a fender badge! lol!
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
I wonder if they will release a pic of the 5.0 badge prior to the actual release of the car like they did with the updated pony in 2010???

I agree, if it has the big "L" it needs to go.

They are using this same font it seems on all logos now, so I think it will be pretty close.

Those poor Ford designers sure have it hard with us don't they?! Look at the amount of scrutiny they get just on a fender badge! lol!
I'm sure it'll work well with the car. I truly hope that it's a stick on badge, not one with pins in the fenders (if it goes there). Unfortunately, it's a catch-22. It's nice for us to take them off (which I will do most likely). But it also allows morons to buy them and stick them on anything they want.

Clino, if it looks like the one in your avatar pic, I'd be happy. Just don't leave the huge dot in the middle, condense it down a bit.

I'm willing to bet in the media pics that come out on the 28th, we'll see one of the badge specifically.
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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There's one way to satisfy everybody. On the fender where the badge would normally go, they could install a 3"x3" video screen that is programmable by the driver.
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by goesfast
Remember that "late" is a relative term and not in the sense of being late for work or the movies, etc. R&D, design, approval and testing is not done overnight and all adjustments must be made well ahead of release time. What was gained in the Coyote engine was more in the torque numbers than the figurative increase in HP. Yes, the car will perform better than the previous model, but not markedly so based on HP percentage figures. Quarter mile times will be the most noticeable and not so much the 0-60 times (non-Trak Pak models). It will definitely feel much stronger though and allow the car to be a leader in its segment with all round performance. The new 2011 Mustang will be better than ever................
You were refering to HP and how it was a late development as per your post.
Nothing was 'last minute'
The numbers have been close like this for a while..give or take 10-15hp/torque.
340-360hp in the Mustang was never in the cards
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 07:14 PM
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Okay, Boomer where are the 2011 GT/CS pics? Also is the 25mpg with manual or automatic transmission? With the V-6 the auto seems to do 1 mpg better.
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Since the '11 will have tuned headers does anyone think that the Ford year end savings commercial a few weeks back could have been the sound of the new 5.0?
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mkoesel
First off, hello to all the old BON guys - Boomer, Five Oh B, Brad, jsaylor et. al.

It is not clear what the max RPM of the Coyote is yet, but the IS-F has fuel shut off at 6800 IIRC. If the Coyote revs a bit higher - say to 7000 RPM, which incidentally Ford's last (in the USA, anyhow) naturally aspirated 4V V8 (in the 2001 Cobra) did - it should be capable of a bit more aggressive rear end gearing from the factory.
Long time no see - good to have you around.

I have to point out, though, that my '03 Mach 1 would argue with you (if it could talk) about the '01 Cobra being the last N/A 4V V8 from Ford. The 03/04 Mach 1's used the '01 Cobra engine, but with cams from the Navigator for more low end grunt and a Shaker hood for better high speed breathing. The manual transmissioned Mach 1's got a 6,800 pm redline, but fuel cutoff in mine wasn't until 7,100 rpm's, so was at 7,000 rpm's at the track quite often.

It is cool to have a 5.0L coming back to the Mustang. My username will start to be relevant again! When I first joined a lot of online Mustang forums (like BON) back in 1999, I still owned a 5.0L, and Five Oh Brian just seemed appropriate. Well, I bought a 2V 4.6L (00 GT), 4V 4.6L (03 Mach 1), and 3V 4.6L (07 GT) since then and always wondered if I needed to change my username. Guess this is a sign that I'll have to buy an '11 or '12 5.0L GT!
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SynisterGT
Since the '11 will have tuned headers does anyone think that the Ford year end savings commercial a few weeks back could have been the sound of the new 5.0?
It was a commercial, and I believe you would need to be standing directly behind the car for it to sound even remotly like the commercial. The one thing that you can believe if its on TV is... nothing!
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 04:16 AM
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Should be very interesting to see the final specs on the Coyote. For instance, will it have the same bore spacing and bore diameter as the 3.7L V6? Wouldn't that be a hoot if they both used the same pistons and rods? It's probably more true that the engineers found a sweet spot in the bore/stroke ratio and valve to cylinder wall clearances. Granted the 60 deg layout works better for a V6 while the V8 works better at 90 degrees. Seems logical, sort of...just use the same architecture but add two cylinders and increase the cylinder angle and, presto, all new V8! The math and hp/L output numbers even add up.

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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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im one of the old guys... lol... my posts dont say that but i was here at the very beginning. i just haven't had a mustang of my very own to talk about... but spring time 2010 may seem different. however back to the topic at hand.

5.0!

i dont think ive ever seen a 60 degree V8... i could be wrong though...
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Look at the spy pics. Still looks like a 90* V8 to me, albeit quite a bit narrower than the old Modular engines. That doesn't mean it doesn't share a lot of technology with the 3.7 though.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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I think the V8 in the (3rd gen?) Taurus SHO was a 60 degree V8. The narrower angle made it a better fit when transversely mounted.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 1chocophile
I think the V8 in the (3rd gen?) Taurus SHO was a 60 degree V8. The narrower angle made it a better fit when transversely mounted.
Yeah is was a 60 degree V8. I had one and love opening that engine up on the highway, man it would scream.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 07S197
Yeah is was a 60 degree V8. I had one and love opening that engine up on the highway, man it would scream.
Yeah that was a cool engine. 3.4L right? Was that an actual Ford engine, or was it two fricken Yamaha I-4s grafted together? Either way they should have offered that car with a manual. Would have been an epic "family sport sedan" in its day!
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Yeah that was a cool engine. 3.4L right? Was that an actual Ford engine, or was it two fricken Yamaha I-4s grafted together? Either way they should have offered that car with a manual. Would have been an epic "family sport sedan" in its day!
Yeah, it was a small 3.4L. Rumor was that it was originally supposed to be an F1 engine that got sidelined and was used in the SHO project. Similar to the 4.0L V8 Olds Aurora engine project. It was designed in a joint venture by Ford and Yamaha, based on the Duratec V6 block. It was very lacking in low end grunt/off the line acceleration but once over about 3200 RPM the secondaries in the intake manifold opened and it screamed. It was without a doubt a highway cruiser that could run with Mustang GT's & BMW 3-series all day long on the highway, all while carrying groceries and the kids.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:24 PM
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Interestingly, the 5.0, if having the same per/cylinder displacement of the 3.7 (.62l), will come out to 4.9, just like the old 5.0 (which was technically a 4.9). I would doubt, though, that they actually share too many actual parts but rather, will have very similar engineering designs and concepts. If they did share more than a few random parts, that would be good for both the 3.7 and 4.9, er, 5.0 in terms of broadening the market for both factory and aftermarket performance goodies. Modular engine concepts often seem to get corrupted in the end to where the actual interchange of parts is pretty small. It would be nice if both the 3.7 and 5.0 do share significant major components and architecture.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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412hp and 390 lbs of torque!!
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight
412hp and 390 lbs of torque!!
You must have been in the Batcave to long or did the Joker have you in his lair?
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkCandy08GT
You must have been in the Batcave to long or did the Joker have you in his lair?
With figures like that -- 412 / 390 -- it can be posted every day and not get old!
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
With figures like that -- 412 / 390 -- it can be posted every day and not get old!
I agree! This car will be one of the baddest production Mustang GT's to hit the streets.
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