J.R.,
I realize you are extremely busy, but would it be possible for you to dyno the CAI with the Fuego tuner?

thanks.

 

My gosh I think Cleveland just gave GMS a sideways compliment

JLT make power as well. It sells for $199 but requires a flash tune. We also offer a calibration for the JLT for $125.00 so that adds up to $325.00 still $25.00 less then the best price I have ever seen on the Granatelli but here is what you don't get. Polished Design, smooth radius to increase airflow as it turns into the t-body, no filter shroud so it heat soaks. That means when these guys do their dyno tests they alwasy do it hood up but hood down it will be a different story.

C&L - Not a one piece design, smaller inside diameter, polished is extra charge, requires a reflash

 

Why would you need a flashtool to dyno tune your car? Must be an automatic transmission thing.

 

Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
After looking over the latest dyno results, I'm now somewhat confused..If I'm not mistaken, the original results were 23.7 additional HP. and an additional 9ft.lbs Torque.. Now all of a sudden those numbers have increased to 28.2 additional HP. and 24.1 lbs. Torque.. Therefore let me get this straight..Are you trying to claim that just you're CAI/MAS w/no tune provide the very same HP and Torque increases, as a cold air kit with a re-flash ?? Because if you are..I find that very difficult to accept..

m05fastbackGT
When dyno testing these Mustangs they loose torque with intake manifold heat pretty quick. A few people keep say
With No tune Provided
and that is were you all go wrong. The CAI systems are tuned. They are no like a Airraid or K&N that chokes the inlet down to a point that they really do not increase airflow. Our products COME TUNED and are 90mm at the norrowest point.

Blitz can confirm we put at least 10 tunes in his car while it was on the dyno. In the end our original performance tune was still the best

In short our product comes tuned. Not all tunes require a reflash

 

 

Wrong Again CLEVELAND - Our sensors are OE and therefore DO NOT void the warranty. Our CAI are sold by several Ford Dealerships as a nice add on to the S197.

Also While I have direct access to the dyno the fact remains that we have tested 3 cars in 1 week with results that have never varied more the 1%. Blitz, Harlybill, Buster and others have all recieved theior parts and said the same thing. They love the look and feel the power

 

Don W - after all this you are still crying? As I stated in a different post I am sorry if your feelings got hurt. - For those of you that did not hear. Don is mad at me because I said a turbo was better then a screw blower - for some reason he got offended. I have been trying to say I am sorry for a year but he will not accept

Here is why he is mad - As you can see the turbo with less boost still makes way more usable power and torque


This was dyno'd


Against This

 

It is very easy to trim - we just used a pair of wire cutters and covered the edge with molding. Adding the brace does not require trimming the cover. You only trim the cover if you add the t-body

 

to order simply call GMS and ask for Morgan 805-486-6644 - non polished 410040-1 and T-body in natural are instock and can ship same day as ordered

 

Yes - Fuego is not released in shipable form yet but I will dyno it perhaps Thursday

 

I was wondering the same thing about the fuego tuner and it's advantages and such, especially after adding the other parts.. Maybe we should start another post and begin this topic anew, especially if you will be able to start showing the results...ANybody second this?....

 

I second. Looking forward to the results.

 

well as you can see Fuego by itself does pretty darn good

 

As I stated in another post, you didn't hurt my feelings, and you apparently have no clue why I dislike you. Please stop lying... if you can.

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpo...&postcount=101

 

Alright JR, if your going to get technical on me again, I'll re-phrase..In the previous post when I asked if your CAI/MAS w/no tune provided the very same HP and Torque increases as a CAI that requires a re-flash ?..I was referring to your CAI/MAS as w/no re-flash provided, which is what I really meant to say..Sometimes, I don't realize that I refer to both tune and re-flashing the ECM, as meaning the same thing so my mistake for using the wrong choice of wording..And although, I'm well aware of how your product is calibrated or tuned for your intake tube through your MAF electronics, that wasn't the point I was trying to get across..my point was this, your product provides additional HP and Torque gains because of it's ablility to read larger amounts of airflow and again, I fully understand this.. However, when in comparison to a flash tuner is concerned ? not only does a flash tuner have the ability to read and allow for larger amounts of airflow, but in addition only a flash tuner has the ability to modify spark and fuel tables, increase throttle and torque response at both part and full throttle, remove both speed and rev limits, change fuel injector sizes, not to mention the ability to not only adjust for wide open throttle, but through the entire RPM band, at part throttle as well..Hell you can't even change tire sizes, without a tuner..Therefore, how can you even claim your product has the ability to make the same power, as a tuner ?? There is just no way that any CAI by itself, can provide the same power and abilities that only a tuner is capable of..And I don't mean to sound as though I'm being disrespectful or anything, but Ski, Don and Cleveland do bring up some very good points and that's just something, I canno't ignore...

 

In one of his recent posts, JR included at least one link to another companies site showing their dyno chart after installing their intake and re-flashing their program to the computer. He compared that chart with the recent charts of the GMS CAI which was installed without re-flashing the computer.

I don't remember which of the three competing threads it was in. I believe it was a link to the C&L site. That chart showed improvements over base with the tuner and their tune similar to, but slightly less than, the charts posted this last week by JR, and verified by two owners who's cars they were run on, without a custom tune.

That's straight forward. C&L's advertised performance cains with their intake and tune vs. GMS's installed intake without tune.

And JR has stated that anyone with a dyno and tuner can get even better results out of his system. How much more? No one has done one yet. But as a starting point, I think the GMS intake looks like a really good beginning, if you want more, or a nice easy upgrade if that's all you want to do.

And for the record, I have a C&L Street intake and Diablo Predator tuner in my garage. There's no way yet to upload the Diablo tune to the '07 (they don't have all the CAL-ID's in their latest revision), or it would already be installed on my car, but I ran 12,000 miles with it on my '05 and loved every second of it. If I could put just the intake on and go, I would, but since the C&L requires that tuner, I'm still running stock. If I had the GMS CAI, it'd already be installed and running, no waiting for the updates.

 

Ok fine Jay, then how about HarleyBill, 05GTRedfire, yourself and others who now have JR's product, consider having your Stangs dyno tested by local tuners who are in each of your area's, that are considered third parties and that should settle this issue, once and for all ?? Would any of you, agree to this ?? I mean, you should at least be a little curious right ??? I sure know, I'd be.. Sorry, I forgot to mention earlier that it would also be in your best interests, if you also have your A/F ratio's checked, as well..

 

My car should arrive the first week in September. I'm ordering the Granatelli CAI this week so I don't miss out on the special he's running this month and will gladly have my car dyno'd before and after. I'll go one further and post here in advance of when I do it and anyone in the Tampa area can come out and watch. There have to be some members in this area who would be interested in seeing it first hand.

 

We have 2 local power shops (bigshot dyno and akron horsepower) in our area. I might just have to take it over and see what this baby is putting out...I won't have a valid baseline to start with to see what improvements were made but I would at least have what I have. We will see. I have been wanting to check out these shops anyway.

 

It would be nice to see these on a Dynojet. All the ones so far are on the Mustang Dyno and most of us only have access to a Dynojet. It would make it easier to compare.