So again here we have it - Don's feeling are hurt I do not recall lieing about Don - I don't know Don either. If Don does it then Don likes it. If Don does not do it then Don bashes.

 

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Originally Posted by Cleveland

there are quite a few people that share the same opinion of JR and how he does "business". We all just didn’t get together and decide to share that opinion just for the hell of it (to make him look bad), there is a reason behind it and it is JR's fault (he makes himself look bad, seeing his faults or not).

More of the same propaganda. Cleveland has never purchased anything Granatelli yet he is an authority on all things Granatelli.

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Originally Posted by CannonBaller

I've been following these threads for sometime now. And they are getting quite amusing with all the bashing going on.

Thanks for the input but you kind of lost me. I may come off like a salesman but that is perhaps because I am. I do my best to answer every ones questions but at some point what can I do? I came here to offer a super special deal on parts. At no point did I say call and purchase from Summit Racing yet there has been post after post that states I called Summit Racing and they don’t have it. Summit has the parts but not at the prices we offered the special at. We tried to do a nice thing for the guys on the boards and instead it turns into a fight about something totally different. The real issue from day 1 was that people claimed you can’t add a huge cold air kit to your car without a reflash. We kept saying yes you can. Once 10 or more people came back to the boards and said I got the GMS parts and the car feels and sounds great then all the cry baby’s that said it could not be done flipped from “ you need a re flash” to “well it can’t work that well”

In a word it is called denial

In closing, GMS wants to thank everyone for their support of the products. We hope you enjoy the product and appreciate the super pricing. -

 

The term 'guile', as used in my comment, has the following dictionary definitions:
guile - insidious cunning in attaining a goal.
insidious - treacherous and deceiptful.

False Claims -
(1) You claimed to have a working relationship with a well known professional tuner. When contacted, this tuner stated that he had no such relationship with your company.
(2) You claim a 15 hp increase with no dyno proof for N/A Mustang GT's when equipped with your coil packs. A 3rd party dyno test showed an increase of only 1.5 hp.


Misleading/Conflicting Claims -
(1) You claimed a gain of 24 hp with your CAI/MAF/TB for a specific engine and a specific dyno run. In a later post, you claimed a gain of 24 hp for the same engine and the same dyno run with only your CAI/MAF. I posted several separate requests for an explanation for the conflicting claims without a reply from you. When you did finally reply, you did not present a reason for these conflicting claims.
(2) You claimed that your MAF does not change the ECM's timing and A/F tables. In a later post, you claimed that your MAF changes the ECM's timing and A/F ratios.


Unsubstantiated Claim -
You claimed to have a working relationship with several car dealerships. You did not present any of these dealerships' names and phone numbers when I asked you for them.


Plagiarism -
You had to discontinue fabricating a part because its design was stolen from Steeda.

WRT your sexual comment, I retract that accusation. I had misinterpreted it.
However, it is a crude and derogatory comment, which still makes you appear rude and unprofessional.

 

 

Ok. We get it. Here is a suggestion - Take your business elsewhere and be happy about it.
**** dude, life is too short.

 

That's one of your lies right there... and it's about the 5th time you've said it. Please stop publicly stating this kind of stuff, because you don't have even the slighest clue what I'm thinking or care about.

Feel free to live in your fantasy world, but leave me out of it.


There you go telling the world another falsehood. My feelings are not hurt. As I've said before before, my feelings can only be hurt by someone who I care about... and you don't qualify. Sorry... but that's the way it is.

But you are right about one thing... you don't know me. Quit assuming you do and I'll leave you alone. Because I'm tired of your act.

 

[/quote] -In closing, GMS wants to thank everyone for their support of the products. We hope you enjoy the product and appreciate the super pricing. - [/quote]

Thanks for the great deal JR. I spoke with Morgan this morning and my STB and CAI should be shipping any day!!

 

Alright, I just bit the bullet and ordered the intake and strut brace! Now i gotta eat butter sandwiches for lunch but, it should be worth it! I want to to thank JR for the great deals and Rene for taking my order and letting me know up front that'll be about two weeks for it to show up. I am a complete noob when it comes to mods so thanks to those who took the time to give an evaluation of these products(Harleybill, 05GTRedfire and others).

 

After going through all 19 pages, I decided to "vote" with my wallet. It's hard to get through to 805-486-6644, so I left a Vmail on extension 20. Somebody is doing good business

 

Wow. Is that chart accurate?

(apologies in advance if my question is not appropriate for this thread)

 

Some more enlightening threads on GMS and J.R. Granatelli:

http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ght=granatelli (Post #3)

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=581327

http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ght=granatelli

 

Got through on the phone (805-486-6644) this morning and ordered the Cold Air Intake Cast Elbow w/Filter & Calibrated MAF (410040 / Satin Finish) for my 2005-07 Ford Mustang GT for $300. Will purchase the Granatelli Motor Sports' Fuego Flash Tuner as soon as it's available. Thanks JR - you're the man

 

Well this is all that I had originally asked for. Some discussions from people that actually bought the products or were unhappy with the service.
So far I have had no problems with JR, his service or his products but I understand that there are always going to be a few people that for whatever reason, things don't work out. If I saw this as a common thing then I would avoid a vendor like he had the plague.
Personally I don't care if the products came wrapped in camel hair as long as it was made with quality so the chinese wrapping doesn't bother me and some parts will not be up to snuff. Almost every company has it's acceptable level and sometimes a piece of crap gets through.
Most of the cars parts have probably come from another country anyway, so that is something we all have to get used to. It's just cheaper to make them elsewhere. This will just be something that we need to watch and report on. If Ski or Don have any personal experience with these products then that was all I wanted to see. I hate to see personal attacks without personal experience. Hearsay is just that so lets keep these posts clean, offer proof when we have experienced it or the posts that Ski has given us, after all, we all want what's best for the rest of TMS'ers. SOOO, if you have a GMS part or experience with the Customer Service, give us the lowdown.

 

My most favorite quote regarding him of all time is the last post of one of those threads...




JR and GMS are very well known but are they notorious, infamous or famous?



-Dan

 

You gotta be kidding me. You know you have a stalker when he spends his days searching for dirt on a person he has never met and never seen his parts. My Stalker as no product knowledge and the 3 links he finds only shows we did the right thing.

The first post is from a guy complaining he can’t get his parts because the ports are closed in Long Beach CA. The next guy has a problem with Ground Pounder so he lumps Granatelli into it. Grounder Pounder was a customer of Granatelli Motor Sports. That does not mean Grounder Pounder and Granatelli Motor Sport were the same nor does it mean we sold the same parts. The third post is from a guy that claims he spoke to me when it fact he spoke to the Ground Pounder people 100 miles away. All this talk about Chinese wrapping paper is a joke. Grounder Pounder had made Mustang Coil Over parts that came in Chinese wrapped blue print paper. Again this had nothing to do with GMS other then the fact they purchased other parts from us. The harder I tried to vindicate myself the deeper it got.

The next post from the corral by a gentleman named Kboltz – this guy basically says I gave him $800.00 worth of parts for free and he loved them and said good thing about them for 3 years and then had an issue. If you read through the post you will see this was a race car not a daily driver. Things break in racing. The part lasted 3 racing seasons and when HE BROKE the parts he wanted us to sell him replacement parts for a K-member we had not built in 3 years. All that nonsense about the parts coming to us complete so we can’t sell him just brackets is crazy-talk. When a steal part breaks and needs to be welded back together any good welder has plate stock to fix it. You don’t buy a new A-arm bracket - rather you weld and fix to the parts


SKI - Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Even if you’re years behind the curve… then again that seems to have been your problem here as well. You are always behind

 

You've got it completely wrong. This is investigation, not stalking.
There's absolutely no need for me to meet you, or to see your parts. I already know what type of person you are, and the quality of the products you sell just from reading Internet threads that involve you and your company.

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Originally Posted by Granatelli

The harder I tried to vindicate myself the deeper it got.

Based on your posts, this is a chronic problem with you and your company.

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Originally Posted by Granatelli

SKI - Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Even if you’re years behind the curve… then again that seems to have been your problem here as well. You are always behind.

The threads may be a few years old, but a person's past history helps to reveal his true colors. And after reading those threads, your colors do not paint a pretty picture.

 

I agree - I have a problem with always trying to explain myself. I guess that is what makes me so successful...I am fear driven. I am so afraid of failing and explain myself out of insecurity when I should just let my products do the talking.

So I can sleep at night knowing I was man enough to step up to the plate so that a racer could beat the crap out of his car for 3 years before it broken.

The general consensus here is that our parts work. A few guys had a few issues that we resolved quickly and professionally - that is the best we can do. Ground Pounder went out of business IMO based on poor customer service and lack of "edge". Their parts were well above average and were a GREAT value for the dollar.

Everyone says we copied this guy or that guy. This is my life story...GMS has been copied by the best of them and we just roll with it. It is crazy when one company wants to fight with another on these boards but it happens all the time.

I will say this A ton of People said that Lexus copied Mercedes and so a lot of other went out and purchased the Lexus as the "poor mans Merc" Lexus will always be considered a "Poor Mans Merc" but Lexus builds a better car then Mercedes and it is less money.

We build better parts then others and we do it for less money. If that means we take or make a few parts off shore then so be it. Today we all need an "edge" We make our own filters, t-bodies and most of the Mustang suspension we sell. Some we have made off shore but that just started recently and if it says Granatelli on the Box then we stand behind it - no matter where it was born

 

More GMS product problems:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...t=49266&page=5 (post #91)

 

Sherlock - post 91 is mine

 

alright, after 19 pages of information, discussion, drama, etc....i simply had to say something.

to SKI and the other dissenters: first off, thank you for looking out for the rest of us. without an opposing view, this discussion would be irrelavent. however, you have done your duty, quite earnestly i must say, and now it is time to move on. you have played devil's advocate long enough to get everyone thinking. it is now time to let people decide for themselves whether or not they wish to purchase this product. clearly you do not support GMS, so let the issue rest. again, i thank you, but surely now there are other battles for you to fight.

to JR and the other proponets: thank you, as well, for all of the information and discussion. lest we forget, amidst all of the drama that came from this post was an abundance of information both for and against this product. 19 pages of reminders that these posts are invaluable tools for researching, discussing, buying, and selling products for a hobby we are ALL interested in. so thank you, to everyone involved.

and finally: can't we all just get along?

-Peter
Duluth, MN