Granatelli Intake w/new MAF???
8/17/06, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
I agree with SKI - He has me on this but again like I said I have been holding out on all of the technology for fear that the competition will figure it out. I just don't see why I should do it all for them.
05GTRedfire claims he knows fully how my stuff works but he really does not. You guys go out and buy flashtools but you don;t know exactly what they are changing if you did then anyone could just mimic the same tune. That is how Superchips, Hypertech and DiabloSport ended up in a lawsuit. Hypertech sued Superchips and claimed Superchips hired their staff and copied thier parts. Then the superchips guy left to go to DiabloSport so Superchips sued DiabloSport. It is never ending.
I am trying to avoid all this. I never lied to anyone. I made it clear that our parts worked spot on and I also said you could make more power with flashtool but you don;t need it to make the power - the flashtool is great for the wheel and tire stuff - or if you have an auto trans blah blah
05GTRedfire claims he knows fully how my stuff works but he really does not. You guys go out and buy flashtools but you don;t know exactly what they are changing if you did then anyone could just mimic the same tune. That is how Superchips, Hypertech and DiabloSport ended up in a lawsuit. Hypertech sued Superchips and claimed Superchips hired their staff and copied thier parts. Then the superchips guy left to go to DiabloSport so Superchips sued DiabloSport. It is never ending.
I am trying to avoid all this. I never lied to anyone. I made it clear that our parts worked spot on and I also said you could make more power with flashtool but you don;t need it to make the power - the flashtool is great for the wheel and tire stuff - or if you have an auto trans blah blah
8/17/06, 11:12 AM
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05GTRedfire, I don't believe m05fastbackGT should be grouped with others who appear to be jumping on JR more because of a dislike of him, or a bad previous experience, or maybe just because they like the attention of being the negative voice in the crowd.
Back to m05fastbackGT, I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that he was actually more worried about someone running the GMS intake and the a/f going to 9.5 to 1 above 5000 rpm (or whatever it was), and his suggestion to go to the dyno was more so you could get that situation corrected if it was found, so as not to damage your engine. I think that is part of the stock computer program, and actually independent of the GMS intake system, so a K&N or Airaid or even the stock car would have the same problem of a less than ideal a/f mixture above 5000 rpm.
And JR, perhaps we should discuss that job sometime.
Back to m05fastbackGT, I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that he was actually more worried about someone running the GMS intake and the a/f going to 9.5 to 1 above 5000 rpm (or whatever it was), and his suggestion to go to the dyno was more so you could get that situation corrected if it was found, so as not to damage your engine. I think that is part of the stock computer program, and actually independent of the GMS intake system, so a K&N or Airaid or even the stock car would have the same problem of a less than ideal a/f mixture above 5000 rpm.
And JR, perhaps we should discuss that job sometime.
8/17/06, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ski
I've been involved with muscle cars since 1968 when I bought a Roadrunner, and I've talked with numerous muscle car owners who said they had noticed a zero SOTP hp increase after installing various aftermarket products with manufacturers' claims of an added 6-10 hp, e.g., TB's, TB spacers, etc.
You can't compare a 1968 tank to a late model car. Back then things were loud and the sensation of speed was totally different. I agree it is tough to feel 6hp but that does not mean you won't feel a better throttle response
8/17/06, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 05GTRedfire
I've never claimed I know fully how your stuff works, I only know it does. I understand the concept, but I'm positive I know nothing of the details. I've never used a flashtool either.
8/17/06, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jayguy
05GTRedfire, I don't believe m05fastbackGT should be grouped with others who appear to be jumping on JR more because of a dislike of him, or a bad previous experience, or maybe just because they like the attention of being the negative voice in the crowd.
Back to m05fastbackGT, I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that he was actually more worried about someone running the GMS intake and the a/f going to 9.5 to 1 above 5000 rpm (or whatever it was), and his suggestion to go to the dyno was more so you could get that situation corrected if it was found, so as not to damage your engine. I think that is part of the stock computer program, and actually independent of the GMS intake system, so a K&N or Airaid or even the stock car would have the same problem of a less than ideal a/f mixture above 5000 rpm.
And JR, perhaps we should discuss that job sometime.
Back to m05fastbackGT, I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that he was actually more worried about someone running the GMS intake and the a/f going to 9.5 to 1 above 5000 rpm (or whatever it was), and his suggestion to go to the dyno was more so you could get that situation corrected if it was found, so as not to damage your engine. I think that is part of the stock computer program, and actually independent of the GMS intake system, so a K&N or Airaid or even the stock car would have the same problem of a less than ideal a/f mixture above 5000 rpm.
And JR, perhaps we should discuss that job sometime.
Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Ok fine Jay, then how about HarleyBill, 05GTRedfire, yourself and others who now have JR's product, consider having your Stangs dyno tested by local tuners who are in each of your area's, that are considered third parties and that should settle this issue, once and for all ?? Would any of you, agree to this ?? I mean, you should at least be a little curious right ??? I sure know, I'd be..
Sorry, I forgot to mention earlier that it would also be in your best interests, if you also have your A/F ratio's checked, as well..
Sorry, I forgot to mention earlier that it would also be in your best interests, if you also have your A/F ratio's checked, as well..
8/17/06, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
05GTREDFIRE - I am confused - do you have my product or not? You say you don't have it but your sig says you do
8/17/06, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Joe, how long does the intake special run and what is your phone number for ordering? Also, how much is the anodized throttle body? Thanks!
805-486-6644
330.00 for anodized red, blue or black
8/17/06, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
Good until end of Month
805-486-6644
330.00 for anodized red, blue or black
805-486-6644
330.00 for anodized red, blue or black
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So does it cost extra to get it anodized? I also think it looks better like that. Is it possible to get red anodized?
red is $35.00 more
8/17/06, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
I agree with SKI - He has me on this but again like I said I have been holding out on all of the technology for fear that the competition will figure it out. I just don't see why I should do it all for them.
8/17/06, 03:32 PM
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Additional enlightening info on GMS:
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ad.php?t=25368
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ad.php?t=25368
8/17/06, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ski
Additional enlightening info on GMS:
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ad.php?t=25368
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...ad.php?t=25368
8/17/06, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
So here in lies the problem. He has been involved with Muscle Cars since 1968. Therefore he is an authority
You can't compare a 1968 tank to a late model car. Back then things were loud and the sensation of speed was totally different. I agree it is tough to feel 6hp but that does not mean you won't feel a better throttle response
You can't compare a 1968 tank to a late model car. Back then things were loud and the sensation of speed was totally different. I agree it is tough to feel 6hp but that does not mean you won't feel a better throttle response
8/17/06, 08:31 PM
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Let's get somethng straight right here and now JR, I never claimed that I fully understood how your product worked..I said, I understood the concept of how your MAF sensor works with your intake tube..And everything I've ever said about your product, were direct quoates that you, yourself provided when answering my questions, for ie this quoate you provided from an earlier post, that I posted below.. So now you come up with the excuse, that you were fearful of the competition figuring out your technology, so you decided to hold out, from revealing the complete details, until now right ?? Well as far as I'm concerned, if you had been completely open with me, from the very beginning..Perhaps I would have had a full understanding of how your product works..Now which is true and which isn't ???
Originally Posted by Granatelli
You just quoted what I said in the earlier post – you are correct. If the factory had a calibrated sensor mated to the housing then it should be able to adjust for any cold air intake. – Now you need to make sue the housing can move enough air
Well you kinda lost me on this one. Our electronics are calibrated specifically to our intake tube. Each meter is installed in the house and then flowed as a complete unit...Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
And I've been right here waiting, lol..So, If I'm understanding correctly, when you mentioned that your electronics are calibrated to your intake tube..I get the impression, that your re-calibrated MAF sensor, is in no way modifying nor changing the actual stock tuning files..? Am I correct, so far about this ?? And if I'am.. Is it also true that your re-calibrated electronics, also do not modify any of the stock's timing and spark curve parameters?? such as have the ability to either advance or take away spark and timing, if needed ?? and most of all..The ability, of getting rid of that annoying throttle lag ?? And, If I'm still right..Isn't it also true, that only a hand held tuner, such as your Fuego flash tuner, have the ability to actually modify, the computer's stock tunning files ??? If were still on the same page, where I'm going with this is..Does not the combination of a cold air intake, and flash tuner, provide more overall performance and power gains, than just your cold air intake alone ?? (even with re-calibrated electronics, and no re-flash required) That's were I was going with this, all along JR...So, I hope you have an idea, where I'm coming from..
Originally Posted by Granatelli
The flash tool will give anyone the ability to make many changes. So yes. However, our electronics are properly scaled to output the proper data relative to the airflowing through it - it does not alter the timing or load tables as it relates to timing
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Originally Posted by Granatelli
You just quoted what I said in the earlier post – you are correct. If the factory had a calibrated sensor mated to the housing then it should be able to adjust for any cold air intake. – Now you need to make sue the housing can move enough air
Well you kinda lost me on this one. Our electronics are calibrated specifically to our intake tube. Each meter is installed in the house and then flowed as a complete unit...Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
And I've been right here waiting, lol..So, If I'm understanding correctly, when you mentioned that your electronics are calibrated to your intake tube..I get the impression, that your re-calibrated MAF sensor, is in no way modifying nor changing the actual stock tuning files..? Am I correct, so far about this ?? And if I'am.. Is it also true that your re-calibrated electronics, also do not modify any of the stock's timing and spark curve parameters?? such as have the ability to either advance or take away spark and timing, if needed ?? and most of all..The ability, of getting rid of that annoying throttle lag ?? And, If I'm still right..Isn't it also true, that only a hand held tuner, such as your Fuego flash tuner, have the ability to actually modify, the computer's stock tunning files ??? If were still on the same page, where I'm going with this is..Does not the combination of a cold air intake, and flash tuner, provide more overall performance and power gains, than just your cold air intake alone ?? (even with re-calibrated electronics, and no re-flash required) That's were I was going with this, all along JR...So, I hope you have an idea, where I'm coming from..
Originally Posted by Granatelli
The flash tool will give anyone the ability to make many changes. So yes. However, our electronics are properly scaled to output the proper data relative to the airflowing through it - it does not alter the timing or load tables as it relates to timing
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