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Old 8/17/06 | 10:24 PM
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On a lighter side, here is the exhaust vid

To keep things a little lighter, here is a link to the exhaust that I just put on this past weekend. The little camera does it's darndest but it's not a pro camera/recorder. It still sound dang good. The car was not even warmed up but I was in a hurry so I am curious what others with different exhausts think. I do like this as much as the Borla and no drone (and 1/2 the price).

http://www.harleybill.com/05stang/granexhaust_0422.wmv
Old 8/17/06 | 10:28 PM
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Well, actually the car has sensors that monitor the a/f mixture levels, and if it is running too lean, you will get a CEL. I know this because mine did initially. Turned out I had a bad wiring harness, and a new one was sent out immediately, no more CEL. I also believe the a/f going to 9.5 after 5krpm was in reference to the newer 2007 models in stock form. And maybe it's me but
the way that is posted makes it seem like the posted hp gains can not possibly be true, therefore get a local dyno so they can see the "real numbers", and also questioning the a/f ratios, because they must be off, again questioning the validity of the product, without ever using it. I guess I'll just take a vacation from this thread for a while. The numbers have been posted numerous times, the testimonials and the pics of customer installs are there. Believe it or not.
First off, I don't answer to you, nor do I need to defend myself, for something that I never did in the first place..And I'll say this again, what in the hell gives you the right to accuse me of anything humm ??? let's get something straight right now, you have a very serious attitude problem and as far as suggesting that you all get dyno tested, was nothing more than that, a suggestion and that perhaps I was trying to give advice, did you ever think of that ?? before you decided to personally attack me, by accusing me of being a liar And my reasons for my advice is this..every car responds to modifications differently, I don't care if their 2 identical cars, engines, or whatever..The fact is no 2 cars respond in the same way.. As for my other reason ?? well Jay was exactly correct when he quoated this...Back to m05fastbackGT, I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that he was actually more worried about someone running the GMS intake and the a/f going to 9.5 to 1 above 5000 rpm (or whatever it was), and his suggestion to go to the dyno was more so you could get that situation corrected if it was found, so as not to damage your engine. I think that is part of the stock computer program, and actually independent of the GMS intake system, so a K&N or Airaid or even the stock car would have the same problem of a less than ideal a/f mixture above 5000 rpm.
However, if you don't wish to take my advice, then that is by your choice but that still doesn't give you the right to accuse me of being a liar and speaking of liars..If I had any intentions of accusing JR as one..I'd come right out in the open, and say so..As I said before, you don't know me from a hole in the wall, so just who in the hell are you to accuse me of anything??..Therefore, take your anger out on those who were responsible in the first place, instead of someone that had absolutely, nothing to do with it..
Old 8/17/06 | 10:48 PM
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Old 8/17/06 | 10:50 PM
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Make Peace.....

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First off, I don't answer to you, nor do I need to defend myself, for something that I never did in the first place..And I'll say this again, what in the hell gives you the right to accuse me of anything ?? Humm let's get something straight right now, you have a very serious attitude problem and as far as suggesting that you all get dyno tested, was nothing more than a suggestion and that perhaps I was trying to give advice, did you ever think of that ?? before you decided to personally attack me, by accusing me of being a liar ???? And my reason for my advice is this..every car responds to modifications differently, I don't care if their 2 identical cars, engines, whatever..The fact is no 2 cars respond in the same way
Hey guys, make peace. I didn't see any attacking going on with him either. I just thought he was throwing out suggestions as well...Maybe the heat of the moment from some of the other posters was getting to everybody (it did me as well) but I didn't see any real attacking going on here so lets kiss and make up....KISS KISS KISS.
Old 8/17/06 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by harleybill
To keep things a little lighter, here is a link to the exhaust that I just put on this past weekend. The little camera does it's darndest but it's not a pro camera/recorder. It still sound dang good. The car was not even warmed up but I was in a hurry so I am curious what others with different exhausts think. I do like this as much as the Borla and no drone (and 1/2 the price).

http://www.harleybill.com/05stang/granexhaust_0422.wmv
That sounds awesome! And no drone you say? You've got my attention. I was looking hard at the FRPP/ Borla Stingers, but the reports of drone at certain RPMs do have me a little concerned.
Old 8/17/06 | 11:11 PM
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Hmmm... do I sense "Mutiny on the GMS Bounty"?



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Originally Posted by 05GTRedfire
Right back at you..******* You want to provoke a war, bring it on
Old 8/17/06 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by harleybill
Hey guys, make peace. I didn't see any attacking going on with him either. I just thought he was throwing out suggestions as well...Maybe the heat of the moment from some of the other posters was getting to everybody (it did me as well) but I didn't see any real attacking going on here so lets kiss and make up....KISS KISS KISS.
Well you had better look again Bill..when anyone refers to me as a liar..I consider that, as a direct attack, upon my character
Old 8/17/06 | 11:35 PM
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Old 8/17/06 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by don_w
Hmmm... do I sense "Mutiny on the GMS Bounty"?



let's just say, that I've finally seen the light..
Old 8/18/06 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Well you had better look again Bill..when anyone refers to me as a liar..I consider that, as a direct attack, upon my character
OK, I was trying to bite my tongue, I really was, but you're just making it too easy. First off, quote me on any single post where I said "m05fastbackGT is a liar". Find it and post it, I want to see it. Second, talk to your doctor about increasing your medication, current doses are ineffective. Third, did you actually read my posts, or did you just skim through every 5th word? Or was it that you only understood every 5th word? 4th, if you don't answer to me, then why do you keep replying? 5th, if you had actually read my posts, you would see that every post is a paraphrase and or a direct quote from a post that you madeSo how am I accusing you of anything, when I'm only repeating what you've already said. And what started this whole thing was you saying

Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Ok fine Jay, then how about HarleyBill, 05GTRedfire, yourself and others who now have JR's product, consider having your Stangs dyno tested by local tuners who are in each of your area's, that are considered third parties and that should settle this issue, once and for all ?? Would any of you, agree to this ?? I mean, you should at least be a little curious right ??? I sure know, I'd be.. Sorry, I forgot to mention earlier that it would also be in your best interests, if you also have your A/F ratio's checked, as well..
And so I replied about the pointlessness of doing so, because if you don't believe someone who has a dyno at their work, and who is probably on that dyno daily, and who knows the most about the CAI, then why would you or any of the other doubters believe me, who's never even used a tuner, much less a dyno. Your initial post said that you wanted to "settle this issue, once and for all". What issue was that? For me I already know the CAI lives up to its claims, what is it that you are arguing? And if it's about the performance possibilities of a CAI, then why is it only this CAI? Because it's different?

I really am trying to just drop this. I will continue to try restraint, but......oh, and one more thing, about not knowing who's on the other side? that works both ways.
Old 8/18/06 | 12:21 AM
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Well how about we just wait until the GMS CAI comes out with the Fuego tuner and really watch it blow SCT and other tuners out of the water. Dyno's don't lie come on. You think he actuallu sits there and photoshop's the little lines on the dyno readout I'm sure he has more important things to do....like make money by selling millions of CAI's to people who believe in him and his products. +1 for GMS
Old 8/18/06 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jayguy
In one of his recent posts, JR included at least one link to another companies site showing their dyno chart after installing their intake and re-flashing their program to the computer. He compared that chart with the recent charts of the GMS CAI which was installed without re-flashing the computer.

I don't remember which of the three competing threads it was in. I believe it was a link to the C&L site. That chart showed improvements over base with the tuner and their tune similar to, but slightly less than, the charts posted this last week by JR, and verified by two owners who's cars they were run on, without a custom tune.

That's straight forward. C&L's advertised performance cains with their intake and tune vs. GMS's installed intake without tune.

And JR has stated that anyone with a dyno and tuner can get even better results out of his system. How much more? No one has done one yet. But as a starting point, I think the GMS intake looks like a really good beginning, if you want more, or a nice easy upgrade if that's all you want to do.

And for the record, I have a C&L Street intake and Diablo Predator tuner in my garage. There's no way yet to upload the Diablo tune to the '07 (they don't have all the CAL-ID's in their latest revision), or it would already be installed on my car, but I ran 12,000 miles with it on my '05 and loved every second of it. If I could put just the intake on and go, I would, but since the C&L requires that tuner, I'm still running stock. If I had the GMS CAI, it'd already be installed and running, no waiting for the updates.
That was me, page 12 of this thread, and I'm glad I was able to provide you with some information, because that's what this is supposed to be all about. Sometimes that's forgotten. http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpo...&postcount=228



Edit: OMG, I just noticed something about the link to the dyno results on the C & L site. Look at the dyno results. What kind of dyno is that? What kind does GMS use?
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Originally Posted by 05GTRedfire
OK, I was trying to bite my tongue, I really was, but you're just making it too easy. First off, quote me on any single post where I said "m05fastbackGT is a liar". Find it and post it, I want to see it. Second, talk to your doctor about increasing your medication, current doses are ineffective. Third, did you actually read my posts, or did you just skim through every 5th word? Or was it that you only understood every 5th word? 4th, if you don't answer to me, then why do you keep replying? 5th, if you had actually read my posts, you would see that every post is a paraphrase and or a direct quote from a post that you madeSo how am I accusing you of anything, when I'm only repeating what you've already said. And what started this whole thing was you saying



And so I replied about the pointlessness of doing so, because if you don't believe someone who has a dyno at their work, and who is probably on that dyno daily, and who knows the most about the CAI, then why would you or any of the other doubters believe me, who's never even used a tuner, much less a dyno. Your initial post said that you wanted to "settle this issue, once and for all". What issue was that? For me I already know the CAI lives up to its claims, what is it that you are arguing? And if it's about the performance possibilities of a CAI, then why is it only this CAI? Because it's different?

I really am trying to just drop this. I will continue to try restraint, but......oh, and one more thing, about not knowing who's on the other side? that works both ways.
First off, you've got your nerve about asking if I read your other posts..because you sure in the hell haven't read any of mine, Otherwise this back and forth BS wouldn't be taking place to begin with..As for you referring to me as a liar is concerned?? No, you didn't come straight out and directly say it..However there were at least 3 accusations that you did accuse me of, for ie So that you and the other people can then say that I must've forged or somehow doctored the results, Thats was your first accusation.. now here's the second... and again I ask you why? You don't believe JR's numbers? So you've never disrespected JR or had anything bad to say about him, you just think he's a liar. and here's your third accusation..should settle this, once and for all.. Now, you asked me to show you, well I just did, you accused me 3 different times with your own words..and just to set the record straight, when I made the comment about settling this once and for all..I wasn't referring to myself, I was referring to those other people that you were comparing me with and I also believe that Jay also mentioned my reasoning for advising you all to have your A/F numbers looked at..
Old 8/18/06 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
First off, you've got your nerve about asking if I read your other posts..because you sure in the hell haven't read any of mine, Otherwise this back and forth BS wouldn't be taking place to begin with..As for you referring to me as a liar is concerned?? No, you didn't come straight out and directly say it..However there were at least 3 accusations that you did accuse me of, for ie So that you and the other people can then say that I must've forged or somehow doctored the results, Thats was your first accusation.. now here's the second and again I ask you why? You don't believe JR's numbers? So you've never disrespected JR or had anything bad to say about him, you just think he's a liar. and here's your third accusation..should settle this, once and for all.. Now you asked me to show you, well I just did, you accused me 3 different times, with your own words..and just to set the record straight, when I made the comment about settling this once and for all..I wasn't referring to myself, I was referring to those other people that you were comparing me with
Look, you're right. In the beginning you did seem genuinely interested, and naturally inquisitive as most of us have been, but then some of your comments just literally were making it seem like there was no way the dyno numbers JR was posting were true, in fact you said it more than once, but whatever. I apologize for thinking you were one of "them".

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Hmmm... do I sense "Mutiny on the GMS Bounty"?





let's just say, that I've finally seen the light..
Old 8/18/06 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 05GTRedfire
Look, you're right. In the beginning you did seem genuinely interested, and naturally inquisitive as most of us have been, but then some of your comments just literally were making it seem like there was no way the dyno numbers JR was posting were true, in fact you said it more than once, but whatever. I apologize for thinking you were one of "them".
Dude, you took all of that in the wrong way, I wasn't referring to JR's numbers as being false..I was having difficulty in comprehending his dyno numbers..I came right out and said, that I was confused did I not ?? also when I made the comment about having a difficult time accepting, I was referring to myself..Not JR and if you weren't sure about my comments, you could have just asked..I would have been more than glad to clear up any doubts..As for being interested..?? I still am and I'm seriously considering purchasing JR's MAF electronics for my Steeda CAI..I figure if I can get an extra 10 HP..then why not ??
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Well, all I can say after reading all 16 pages of this thread at one sitting is wow! I wish I had $300 I didn't need because it would be on it's way to JR for this CAI. Thanks to those who actually bought this and provided your thoughts and pics.
Old 8/18/06 | 07:32 AM
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C'mon.
You mean to tell me that no one has the nads to confirm the GMS CAI performance gain claims on a 3rd party dyno?
Or are all of you afraid that the results will show you were hoodwinked?
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C'mon.
You mean to tell me that no one has the nads to confirm the GMS CAI performance gain claims on a 3rd party dyno?
Or are all of you afraid that the results will show you were hoodwinked?
I just wish for once you had something of interest to say instead of just taking up space. As you just have a bug up your arss about GMS, then there isn't much else that you can contribute to the topic. You don't have any of the equipment, you don't have any first hand knowledge of the products and everything seems to just be a personal issue between you & AJ. Why don't you order the equipment, dyno it, post the results, both good or bad, and then you would have something truly of value to post. You can always return it if you don't like it so that would at least settle your issues.



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