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Jun 20, 2013 | 11:40 PM

#281

Horus

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Originally Posted by MARZ

The Corvette Grand Sport, in addition to its weight and CG advantage (as mention by rhumb above), is powered by a 430-horse LS3 engine. That isn't exactly weak.

The LS3 is weak when put side to side with the LS6 or LS9.

Yes GM does need engineers. The thinking at Chevorlet is theres the Corvette and theres everything else, maybe that's why they dropped the ball on the Camaro, really $50k for a top o the line Camaro, anyone with sense would get the Vette at the same price.
My point about the vetts is being taken wrong. The hyper-inflation in prices with pony cars is only going to hurt tham because there a certain point where a customer can say, "Damm why should I get the Camaro or Mustang when the Vette is only $XXX more". Mustangs and Camaros sold a lot and built their names on being cheap and fast, an every mans car in Ford or GM flavor. Both companies have forgotten that and it will eventually kill both platforms. Look at pony car sales right now. Both models are at historic lows.
If I'm going to pay todays over inflated prices for a pony car I want some real advances in tech/speed. If they can give that then they need to revise the current view of what a Pony car is.

Jun 21, 2013 | 09:33 AM

#282

RandyW

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Horus, prepare to spend the rest of your life in disappointment. Practically every car magazine talks about what a great value the Corvette is, and you want Ford to deliver that level of performance for tens of thousands of dollars less. I cannot picture any manufacturer building a car that you would consider simultaneously fast enough and cheap enough.

Jun 21, 2013 | 10:06 AM

#283

dmichaels

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Originally Posted by Horus

Hey Ford--we need a cheap, stripped down weekend toy version with a screaming V-8, something where we can add exactly what we want.

I would agree with this. Something the size of the Subaru BRZ but with a V8 from the factory. Won't ever happen, but would be perfect. I would have bought a Z06 in a second over the Mustang if I could afford to. $ was my limiting factor as it usually is so the Mustang beat out a used corvette for me. Slightly slower but for road course track days I do it's 75% driver anyways and this car should do just fine

Jun 21, 2013 | 11:32 AM

#284

conv_stang

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Yes for GT500 or ZL1 money you can get a Vette. But they only have two seats. My girls love riding around with me in my loud and obnoxious Cobra and GT. And I never said the Ford GT was a performance class above the Vette. Everything in this world doesn't revolve around specific performance numbers. You can go buy a 1 yr old ZR1 for well under 90,000. But an almost 9 year old Ford GT can't be had for under 230,000. That is another class. There are plenty of cars cheaper that can out perform it. Heck the GT500 is almost faster than the Ford GT on some tracks. But I will agree the new Vette looks horrible.

Jun 23, 2013 | 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Horus

How heavily modded is your GT? Just a quick search on 1/4 mile times shows if your car is unmodded you stand no chance against an base vette. Its ok to be a fanboy, but try to be realistic.

Post some youtube videos, or just search at youtube, you'll see some cool stuff.
I use to race a lot years ago, I've learned a few things. Newer Vettes are most of the time...UNmodded, unlike our rides, it hurts a vettes value when you start messing with it. Older vettes are the ones to race, they have the light weight, good suspensions, and tweaked engines. You beat a blown bigblock on slicks you'll know you have a serious car.

Steeda 93 tune , Steeda Cai, GT500 a/b no resonators, DRs 12.15- 12.20 @ 115/116 every time. -----Have not been beat by a STOCK Vette. Zo6's with a driver and drag radials smoke my a$$. They're a different animal. However, It's even 50/50 racing zo6's because half the guys that own them can't drive them. I've beat several.

Jun 23, 2013 | 10:39 AM

#286

2011 Kona Blue

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Unless I'm missing something from a performance value dollar perspective, A Corvette ZR1 is around 115k. A Gt500 is around 60k. Pretty impressive that Ford can sell a car half the price of a Vette and yet give better straight line performance than a car twice its price.

Of course , your really paying for the name Corvette. There is nothing that really makes the ZR1 worth double what the gt500 sells for. The ZR1 doesn't drive by itself or cook you dinner. Lmao. I know which one I would choose, here snakey , snakey, snakey

Jun 23, 2013 | 10:44 AM

#287

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Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue

But with the zr1 you can tell people about your motortrend lap times on nurburgring!

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Jun 23, 2013 | 10:48 AM

#288

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Originally Posted by steven46746

But with the zr1 you can tell people about your motortrend lap times on nurburgring!

Well, that's very true. Lmao

Jun 23, 2013 | 11:40 AM

#289

2 Go Snake

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No matter what the horsepower level of the Mustangs will be, the high performance pony cars will not be inexpensive. I just don't think the auto companies will produce a high performance pony car that is inexpensive. The auto companies keep the purchase price high so the kids just out of high school cant afford to by one. The auto companies want older people who have good jobs and will not do irresponsible things on the streets with their newly acquired pony car. Auto companies don't like bad press about young kids racing on the streets.

Jun 23, 2013 | 12:42 PM

#290

Captain Spadaro

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I don't see them pulling 400 hp out of an N/A V6; for reference, the most powerful N/A V6s currently in production are Hyundai's DI 3.8L (348 bhp on premium) and the Nissan Nismo-spec VQ37VHR (350 bhp). The likely strategy will be the same as on the Edge and Explorer: V6 base, EB 4-cylinder as a mileage engine, GT with Coyote.

As for Coyote, I don't doubt that DI is coming, but the spy shots I've seen have shown an engine that appears to be similar to the existing one, so it might not come online right away. That said, I don't doubt that the engineers can pull some more power out of it without having to resort to sacrificing torque.

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Jun 23, 2013 | 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bee bop

Horus I think you are being a little unrealistic in your expectations. Our cars are drastically heavier that the originals also the 67 gt500 was running a big block engine. Take a look at the following site http://www.zeroto60times.com/Ferrari...mph-Times.html

The fastest car on there is the 2005 enzo at 2.8 0-60 and you know how much that costs and is carbon fiber. It takes more than HP to make a car go fast. Weight and aerodynamic drag plays a great part.

Here is a list of Mustang times

Ford Mustang 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1964 Ford Mustang (V8) 0-60 mph 7.3 Quarter mile 15.5
1966 Ford Mustang (V8, Auto) 0-60 mph 10.8 Quarter mile 17.7
1967 Ford Mustang (V8) 0-60 mph 7.3 Quarter mile 15.4
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 14.1
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 13.7
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.7
1971 Ford Mustang (V8) 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile13.8
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.6
1973 Ford Mustang 0-60 mph 8.8 Quarter mile 16.1
1974 Ford Mustang II 0-60 mph 14.1 Quarter mile 18.6
1974 Ford Mustang II (Auto) 0-60 mph 15.5 Quarter mile 19.2
1975 Ford Mustang II (V8) 0-60 mph 9.5 Quarter mile 17.3
1977 Ford Mustang II (V8) 0-60 mph 11.2 Quarter mile 17.5
1980 Ford Mustang 0-60 mph 11.7 Quarter mile 18.3
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra 0-60 mph 11.2 Quarter mile 18.2
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 0-60 mph 9.6 Quarter mile 17.2
1982 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.9
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 0-60 mph 7.8 Quarter mile 15.6
1985 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.2
1988 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 15.0
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0L (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.6
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0L 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.7
1991 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0L 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.6
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter mile 14.4
1993 Ford Mustang GT (Auto) 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 15.9
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.8
1994 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.9
1994 Ford Saleen Mustang S-351 0-60 mph 5.8 Quarter mile 14.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8L 0-60 mph 9.8 Quarter mile 17.1
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.6
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter mile 15.1
1996 Ford Mustang Saleen S351R Speedster 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.5
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.8
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.7
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible (V6) 0-60 mph 8.5 Quarter mile 16.3
1999 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
2000 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter mile 12.7
2000 Ford Saleen Mustang S-281 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter mile 13.2
2000 Ford Mustang Saleen S281 Supercharged 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.6
2000 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter Mile 13.3
2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt GT 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 13.9
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter mile 13.3
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 0-60 mph 4.2 Quarter mile 12.9
2003 Ford Mustang Roush 380R 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.7
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.2
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Auto) 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 13.7
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.0
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.6
2005 Ford Mustang 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter mile 15.1
2005 Ford Mustang GT (4.6L V8) 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.3
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.6
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter mile 13.4
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.7
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.7
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-H 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.7
2007 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter Mile 13.4
2008 Ford Mustang Bullitt 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter mile 13.4
2008 Ford Mustang Convertible 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.5
2009 Ford Mustang GT (Glass Roof Option) 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.6
2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter mile 12.8
2010 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter mile 13.5
2010 Ford Mustang (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter Mile 15.1
2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 12.8
2011 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 0-60 mph 4.0 Quarter Mile 12.2
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Convertible 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 13.0
2011 Ford Mustang 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter Mile 13.8
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 13.0 ★ Editor's Choice ★
2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 0-60 mph 4.0 Quarter Mile 12.1
2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter Mile 11.5
2013 Ford Mustang V-6 Premium 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.7
2013 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Convertible (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 12.9
2013 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Convertible (Auto) 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter Mile 13.1
2013 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca Edition 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.5
2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter Mile 11.9

As you can see there is has been a steady improvement in times except for the Bleak 70's.

I question the accuracy. A 2000 Mustang Saleen NA S281 is faster than the SC281 of the same year?

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Jun 23, 2013 | 03:52 PM

#292

Captain Spadaro

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Originally Posted by Getportfolio

I question the accuracy. A 2000 Mustang Saleen NA S281 is faster than the SC281 of the same year?

Depends on the track, weather, and driver skill. Hell, Car & Driver tested a 2000 S281 Supercharged and could only manage a 5.1 0-60 time.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...specialty-file

Jun 23, 2013 | 07:50 PM

#293

Fenderaddict2

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Originally Posted by Horus

A GT500 costs as much as a vette. The vette is faster in a straight line and obliterates/humiliates the GT500 on any course with a curve.
When a GT500 hits 10's straight off the showroom floor you can make the claims you tried to make, do a little searching on those names I dropped earlier in the thread, 10 sec off the showroom floor, yea it was real.
Is it too much for us to ask for a Mustang that can stop all debates, something the GM guys will say ... dam that's fast?
I beat a Vette track what does the Vette owner say? "At the end of the day your still parking a Ford, I get to park a Corvette" and everyone around laughs; is that what the Mustang has devolved into? A joke? We need some serious engineers at Ford.

Really? You worry what others say? You know some people call Vettes mid life crisis cars or substitutes for a small *****. The Vette is a fine two seat sports car. The Mustang a fine 4 seat sporty car. They are different cars for different owners. Both have their own merit. Buy what you live and can afford and don't worry what others think.

Jun 23, 2013 | 08:52 PM

#294

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I got too tell you. You can't say Ford hasn't made huge improvements with power and bang for the buck. Look at what the 2011 v6 model was running. 0-60 in 5.3 , 13.8 1/4 mile. That's stock with 2:73 gears. Holy crap batman. That's just 3 tenths slower than a 10 Gt model and all for under 23k. I say all ford mustang models give great bang for buck. Who would of thought years ago V6 models would be running 13.8 1/4 mile times and that's stock weak pathetic 2:73 gears. Install 3:73 in the 11 plus v6 and your right there with the 10 Gt model. Heck the current V6 models are running numbers similar to 90's and early 2000 cobra and Roush models. Not too shabby. Ford has come a long way with its quality and value. 60k for a car that easily competes with a 115k car is incredible. I would buy two Gt500's before I spent 115k plus on a Zr1. Drive down the road and see which car turns more heads and gets the stare, it's love. The Gt500 gets people's attention. A zr1 looks like every other corvette to the average person. All the corvettes look alike from a grand sport, z06 to a zr1, they all look alike. But not the gt500. It's raw, it's smooth, it's sleek, its fast as ***** and its just sex on wheels. Just saying.

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Jun 24, 2013 | 06:58 AM

#295

2012GT

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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake

. Auto companies don't like bad press about young kids racing on the streets.

I'm 40 yrs old & street race with guys younger & older.

Jun 24, 2013 | 07:02 AM

#296

2012GT

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Stock w slicks.

Jun 24, 2013 | 09:08 PM

#297

Horus

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Originally Posted by steven46746

But with the zr1 you can tell people about your motortrend lap times on nurburgring!

Is that something you joke about? Why? Because Mustangs get smoked there? So give up on it and make a joke out of it so you can try to convince yourself it isn't a measure of what your car can do with a professional driver?

A base Vette at $50k will destroy a GT500 at $60k on any course with a turn..ie like a real road.

Do you see what I've been saying about price? A Mustang or Camaro should never even come close to the price of a corvette, they are made to take exotics, our cars are made for the everyday guy... or at least that's how it used to be. Why is it back in the 80's Mustangs were cheap and had no problem keeping up with its pony car rivals and many times ended up being faster. Yet, since the late80's up until present, with the price rising faster than inflation....Ford has let the Camaro make the Mustang its bitc# ..prison style?
I don't know if Chevy and Ford are just counting on the fanboy factor to keep the Camaros and Mustangs alive, but one day the fanboys will look at prices, wake up, and see they can get a higher base lvl of performance from other offerings and we will sadly, say good night to the pony car platform.

Jun 24, 2013 | 09:21 PM

#298

Horus

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Originally Posted by 2012GT

2011 GT 5.0 runs 12.1@114, stock with sticky tires - fastest yet stock? - YouTube

Stock w slicks.

Its over half a sec faster than the fastest 1/4 mile time stated by any reputable source 12.7 http://www.mustangcult.com/2010/05/2...14-mile-times/ ok that may be a little biased, but your "Stock" 12.1 smokes results from that fanboy site? Yea.. right.
I've see many "Stock" Mustangs and Camaros at the track with a cam lope a deaf guy could hear, yea... "Stock". I've also seen many many.. of those same "stock" cars get busted with the newest trend.... the "its just fast for a stock car" hidden nitrous system. Tracks are catching on though.

Jun 24, 2013 | 09:52 PM

#299

steven46746

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Originally Posted by Horus

No I just find it funny, now you "GM boys" hang your hat on motortrend lap times, as its the only thing you have left. We beat you in a straight line and look better doing it, for less money mind you. What's next after the 15' beats you around the track, your windows roll down faster?

Also, is it really unfeasible that a 430+hp car with "sticky" tires can't run a 12.1? I bet your the same guy telling people about all the ls1 f-bodie's you've seen go 12.5 off the showroom floor?

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Jun 24, 2013 | 10:49 PM

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Getportfolio

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Originally Posted by Horus

Nah. The only people I see buying Corvettes in the future....

wait for it...

...are Barbie or the middle aged, balding, mid life crisis, pot bellied, retired, skipper looking guys cruising the local universities to drool over ladies they couldn't possibly get with or without the all omnipotent Corvette.
You've seen them! They arrogantly rev their engines at the handsome Mustang drivers to our dismay.

Silly GM rabbit. I think you hopped into the wrong forum.