As far as performance specs are concerned, they are in the same class, I suppose.

If the price point were the same, in favor of the Mustang, that $30K could go a long way towards making it an extreme performer. Forged motor (like the BOSS), upgraded valve train for more rpms and HP, light weight everything from CF and aluminum. It could be a 500 hp, 3200 lb car. That would be sexy!! I'd rather have that than a GT500.

 

Let weight and aerodynamics help with efficiency first. DI can come later when they need a bigger increase in power.

 

Or do it now because it's been nearly 4 years in development.

Nah, let's just prolong it another 4 years. You're right. Brilliant idea.

 

I honestly don't think it's needed at this point. The mustang does amazing against the competition. Just because Chevy uses it, doesn't mean ford has to as well. It just adds cost to the car, something none of us want.

 

Where are you getting that Ford's been testing a DI Coyote for the past four years?

 

75 hp is a pretty good difference in power and it'll have at least 100 ft/lbs more torque. That's close to 3/4 of a second or more in the 1/4 mile. And the GT always has better brakes and suspension also

 

That sound also

 

Ford had DI in mind when they engineered the Coyote.
http://mustang5liter32v.com/forums/v...c.php?f=8&t=28

 

Designed to accommodate IF/WHEN... does not equal '4 years of testing'

 

And while the new Z28 is great for Chevy...it's going to be close to 70K, no direct injection 7.0L LS7 is gonna make it into the regular Camaro lineup. Way too expensive of an engine option. And even if the Camaro loses 300 lbs, that still put the weight around 3800 which is still heavier than the current GT. And if Ford does drop 200 lbs from the mustang we will still have a good 300lb advantage. And I can't see the mpg going up if they use a 350hp turbo 4. That thing is gonna take some serious boost and fuel to support that number.

 

I dislike horsepower arguments. I particularly dislike the horsepower argument when used in the context of “Well the Camaro will have more horsepower so the Mustang has to have more horsepower to keep up with the Chevy. Otherwise people will flock to the Camaro instead.” It simply doesn’t work that way. HP is not the prime determining factor in sales. Style—the way a vehicle looks, it the prime factor, followed by price. (If price wasn’t a factor, wouldn’t everyone be buying a Bugatti Veyron?)

It may be someone’s opinion that horsepower = sales, but history contradicts that theory. In 2002, the Mustang GT had 260-HP, but you could buy a 2002 Z28 with 330-HP. Mustang sold over 124,000 units, the Camaro, less than 30,000 units. If HP were the prime factor in popularity, Camaro should have outsold the Mustang handily. (Just my personal opinion, the GT was reasonably priced, the Camaro, not so much.) On a side note, (directed at Camaro fans), the 2003 GT easily outsold the 2003 Camaro (ouch).

Pontiac introduced a Holden Monaro, excuse me, a new GTO in 2004, it had more HP than the Mustang—sales were brisk over 13,000 were sold. (Unfortunately, GM needed to sell at least 18,000 to make a business case for the product.) But Pontiac knew that the Monaro, I mean GTO would probably not compete with the new 300-HP 2005 Mustang. So GM replaced the LS1, with a 400-HP LS2, according to the Tool Time Theory (more horsepower!) this should have boosted sales. The Monaro/GTO was an excellent performer, but sales plunged by over 2K, just barely topping 11,000 units. (Just my opinion—it was not a bad car; but the styling was too bland, and the price was too high.)

Flash forward to the present. The Boss 302 easily tops the SS in HP, the GT 500 is the undisputed HP king of the pony cars, yet the Camaro sells more. Looks (style), price (perceived value) have far more to do with the success of any given vehicle than does a raw HP number. Enthusiasts and bench-racers may be sold on horsepower, even to a degree, the critics and reviewers. But the buying public; the ones that open their wallet to spend their hard earned cash on a vehicle do so based on two simple determinations. 1) Do I like it? 2) Can I afford it?

In order to be successful, the next generation Mustang has to have the style to appeal to a wide audience. It has to establish a perceived value which makes consumers consider it a good purchase. Its success doesn’t depend on whether the next generation Mustang has 420-HP, or 475-HP.

 

Well said. I've always considered looks and price over horsepower.

People won't buy an ugly car because it is loaded with power. If you disagree then I hope you are enjoying your GTO.

 

I agree with almost all of what bt4 said except one thing. I still like reading and talking horsepower too. But yes, price and looks trumps power. I would add to both your points that a quality interior is also a huge selling point. I spend more time sitting in my car than I spend looking at it or driving it to its or my limit. I think a huge part of mustangs advantage had always been a better looking, more functional, and comfortably interior. I considered a camaro till I sat in one. I sat in a mustang and I was sold.

 

I should reiterate. price even outweighs looks for me nowadays. I refuse to pay over 30k for any car at this stage in my life. Too many other priorities in life sucking my dollars.

This is where the new V6 really shines. Affordable, good looking and just enough pep to beat down the average Accord.

My S281 was quite expensive. Sadly, i recall doing without a lot of things to make those payments each month. As a result, i have a love and hate for it as it sits in my brother in laws shed and deteriorates. It reminds me if hard times. I'm not afraid to admit I've had a few in my time. I learned some hard lessons with that car.

Hopefully the new mustangs will continue to be affordable, stylish... And some more pep never hurt either.

 

It's a bit of a stretch to surmise the contents of the article you posted to somehow meaning Ford's been testing a DI Coyote for the past four years. I was just asking for evidence of the latter; to date, there is none.

Here's an easier-to-read version of the same article:

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...coyote_engine/

 

While I agree appearance and price is overall the deciding factor in buying the mustang, as most are v6's.
We were talking in the spirit of "camaro vs mustang" and I think we all would like the mustang to have and keep the edge, makes owning one that much better

 

I am.

 

Just drive it at night. Jk

 

Or close your eyes till your inside.

 

Wise guys eh....

It's okay, most drivers only see the tail lights anyway.

Back to the topic though. I was hoping for a HP bump to 440 for the 2015 GT like the outgoing Boss302. If it had 475 I'd be tickled pink. (Whatever that means.)