I love horsepower. It's a lot like money or *****. A little bit more, is almost always awesome. That said, 430 is a lot of hp. Added to that rumors of a loss of weight between 200 & 400 pounds..... sounds like a recipe for lots of fun.

However, I think the sound of a flat plane crank 8000 rmp nearly 600hp v8 would sound AAAAMMMAAAAZZZIIIINNNNGGG!

 

^ what he said. Especially about the *****. More is always nice.

 

Too much and you'll be flopping around all over the place.

There's a happy medium.

 

I think netween 400-450 is a great spot with similar tourqe numbers. Once youre there focus on handling and ride refinement and youll soon have a golden car on your hands

 

Horsepower is an easy sell, people love big numbers even if they that can't wrap their head around p/w ratios, gearing, weight transfer and aerodynamics and how that effects acceleration.

 

You got that right ! I look at the horsepower number first before I buy a car. The bigger the horsepower number, the more interested I get.

 

It may be that way for now. But I would bet a lot more people are going to be looking at the EPA numbers going forward. A change in what the customer base wants.

 

Since I'm not rich, that's true for me unfortunately

 

The point bob is trying to make is that It's more a marketing tool. I don't really care about Hp as long as it's within a given range for a certain weight and the torque curve is solid. Torque numbers sell me. Low or high, consistency is key.

You could complain about the numbers of the M3 with a small engine and low torque but it proves consistency in torque puts out good power and obviously performance to back it up. Horsepower is not the number I'm interested in.

The coyote is an amazing engine. No gain in hp wouldn't bother me any.

 

Are you talking about horsepower or *****? I guess it applies to both.

 

^ Ba ha ha ha ha

 

Spoken like a man who has never had the good fortune to stumble on a 105# woman with astoundly perky 34dd AU NATURAL (Life has been good), Or perhaps a 500+ hp car with world class suspension tuning. Either can be too much to handle, but don't you really have to try. Dontcha????

 

That's not 'too much'

 

I'd almost be happier if the HP and TQ numbers flipped. I'd rather have 430 TQ and 390 HP and drop 300lbs. That would be nice!

 

Not so much flipped, but equal. Torque does need to get raised though...

 

450 hp/tourqe? That would be bangin

I wish they would set the tourqe higher in the sixxers to, and i know they can pull out more hp. I mean look at the 350Z/Infiniti gcoupes, they make a pretty solid number and are plenty quick too. At least gives us 3.55 or even 3.73 gear options too!

 

2014 370Z 332 hp, 270 ft/lbs
2014 V6 mustang 305 hp, 280 ft/lbs

Why would you want to lose tq? 370Z makes power at higher rpm and sounds bad at high rpm. Curb weight is listed at 3250 compared to 3500 for the mustang.

 

Notiice i saod higher tourqe, and bump hp to match those VQ motors feom Nissan/Infiniti. And i know we wont match the weight the Z cars just cuz theyre so **** small, but i like their hatch

 

Yeah but to match the VQ, they would prob have to sacrifice torque to get the 30 hp by going higher rpm...hopefully the rumors of weight loss will be true and can go with a higher gear ratio to make the car feel like it has more torque and keep the mpg. But I think people will be better served getting the ecoBoost 4 if they want more torque.

 

Drop a couple hundred pounds, put 3.55 gears, bump hp to 320 or so and boom we have a winner. The weight loss and probably better built drivetrain will help keep mpg numbers the same even with the gear change and possible hp bump