'13-14 Cluster into '10-12 car (with TrackApps) retrofit
#145
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Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On
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Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On
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No experience here but glad to have you in this thread ... Apparantly SCT can't turn off PATS so I have been starting my Car with 2012 cluster and then swapping in the 2013 cluster while car is running. Are you thinking the track apps will be enabled once I have the PATS relearned and I start the car with the 2013 cluster installed? Or is there more too it than that?
#147
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Absolutely would love assistance. At this point, I just want to confirm that the directional/ok buttons work and that cruise works or not.
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Are you thinking the track apps will be enabled once I have the PATS relearned and I start the car with the 2013 cluster installed? Or is there more too it than that?
Last edited by jim010; 4/9/13 at 01:25 PM.
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Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On
PM's welcome.
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#152
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My service manager at my local Ford dealership (he's very knowledage and helped me with the nav retrofit) figures that as built data will NOT need to be uploaded into the new cluster, and that PATS will not be an issue.
I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
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My service manager at my local Ford dealership (he's very knowledage and helped me with the nav retrofit) figures that as built data will NOT need to be uploaded into the new cluster, and that PATS will not be an issue.
I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
I was able to test the buttons ...
#154
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OK, here it is:
2012
-to the clockspring (c2274a)
Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - unused
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - unused
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination
2013
-to the clockspring (c2274a)
Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - switch info
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination
2012
-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)
Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - climate sensors and generic vref return in logistical schematics
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - unused
2013
-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)
Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - bluetooth return
Pin 6 - switch info
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - switch info
2012
- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)
Pin 1 - illumination
Pin 2 - cruise control command
Pin 3 - cruise control command return
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - horn
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - unused
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused
2013
- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)
Pin 1 - cruise control command return
Pin 2 - switch info
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - unused
Pin 5 - unused
Pin 6 - ground
Pin 7 - cruise control command
Pin 8 - illumination
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused
2012
-to the clockspring (c2274a)
Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - unused
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - unused
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination
2013
-to the clockspring (c2274a)
Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - switch info
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination
2012
-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)
Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - climate sensors and generic vref return in logistical schematics
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - unused
2013
-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)
Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - bluetooth return
Pin 6 - switch info
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - switch info
2012
- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)
Pin 1 - illumination
Pin 2 - cruise control command
Pin 3 - cruise control command return
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - horn
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - unused
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused
2013
- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)
Pin 1 - cruise control command return
Pin 2 - switch info
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - unused
Pin 5 - unused
Pin 6 - ground
Pin 7 - cruise control command
Pin 8 - illumination
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused
Last edited by jim010; 4/9/13 at 05:21 PM.
#159
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Thats good to hear .. so you are going to leave the 2013 as built data in the cluster? I have read that when the technician does the PATS Relearn .. he should tell the system the PCM was replaced and not the Cluster. If the tech tells the software that the relearn is for a replaced cluster then it will want to reload the as built data.
#160
Legacy TMS Member
I got muy service guy to print off the cruise control with resistor values. I have different values than below for a 2013, assuming I'm reading it right.
The PCM controls the cruise functions based on the voltage signal it receives.
2011
Off: Short
On: 2.11 K
Set -: 300
Set +: 600
Res: 1.11 K
Cncl: N/A
2013
Off: Short
On: Short
Set -: 120
Set +: 300
Res: 600
Cncl: 600
That only leaves 3 options:
1) Modify the switch to give the correct signals.
2) Modify the PCM programming to accept the signals you send.
3) Swap in a 2013 PCM, harness, and clock spring.
2011
Off: Short
On: 2.11 K
Set -: 300
Set +: 600
Res: 1.11 K
Cncl: N/A
2013
Off: Short
On: Short
Set -: 120
Set +: 300
Res: 600
Cncl: 600
That only leaves 3 options:
1) Modify the switch to give the correct signals.
2) Modify the PCM programming to accept the signals you send.
3) Swap in a 2013 PCM, harness, and clock spring.