TracKey is here! Those that are installing - please post!
11/8/11, 04:02 PM
#421
Originally Posted by badasbullitt
You know since California was so strict on this I am confused why Ford didn't have 2 trackeys. Seriously!
There is a California emissions and there is a standard emissions. I guess there is more to it than I realize.
There is a California emissions and there is a standard emissions. I guess there is more to it than I realize.
11/8/11, 04:27 PM
#422
I honestly hope they have a update for a trackey. Engine braking is nice, throttle response is better, launch control is handy, but darn it ,when the general public is next to you in your car and ask to hear Trackey there isn't ANYTHING to show unless they went for ride. My buddy says, Hey I thought its suppose to sound like that video you posted on your facebook, my reply ; Ford Bait and Switch, trickery.. If CARB made changes they should have.been open on anything that was altered.
Before I had to answer "no not yet" then get the usual "really, why not" then I have to take ten minutes to explain why California should secede from the union
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11/8/11, 05:06 PM
#424
Originally Posted by 1FAFP90
Maybe the rest of us can vote them out
11/8/11, 05:09 PM
#425
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Could be that the idle lope was numbed down intentionally since so many Trackey users will be driving the cars on the street instead of "track use only", maybe Ford didn't want its use to be publicized at traffic lights by simply hearing the car run
So Ford's looking out for the Boss302 owner that wants to use his race car on the street
That's one way to look at it, anyway ...
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So Ford's looking out for the Boss302 owner that wants to use his race car on the street
That's one way to look at it, anyway ...
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11/8/11, 05:09 PM
#426
Originally Posted by phiggs54
Aw come on. You dont want to lose Joe (there, I got the name right). He is our biggest fan :-)
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11/8/11, 05:11 PM
#427
A Man Just Needs Some....
Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
So it doesn't have good downforce either even with that giant splitter. Oh boy back to the drawing board. LOL
11/8/11, 05:15 PM
#429
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
Yeah apparently that doesn't do anything for downforce. lol
11/8/11, 05:22 PM
#430
Originally Posted by AlsCobra
I thought that it served as a curb feeler or park assist. Stop when you hear crunch.
11/8/11, 06:07 PM
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11/8/11, 06:21 PM
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So what "real goodies" were hacked out? Please list them. Seems to me Ford delivered on everything they said they would. The more I drive my Boss the more the lopey idle is just like the Track Attack cars. Ford all along said that TK would not increase HP and it doesn't. Doesn't sound like bait and switch to me.
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11/8/11, 06:22 PM
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Does your idle sound like this? If not, many people are going to feel mislead, bait and switch, whatever you want to call it. I'd wager that the vast majority of owners will never drive their Boss on a track, and the engine braking, etc. will never be of any real use to them the way they will drive their cars on the street. The idle on the other hand, would be very noticeable, and a nice conversation piece at shows and cruise ins. I'd say many people were drawn to that old school muscle car sound, and was the only real reason they were interested in Trackey, and from the vids I've heard of it, they didn't get anything close to what was promoted to them as the cars were being marketed.
11/8/11, 06:37 PM
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Yes it does, its also like being told the only thing track key does is give you a lopey idle. (or not)
(27 to go)
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11/8/11, 07:48 PM
#435
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Rick, unfortunately I as well as many others on this Forum disagree. The idle is not the same. And it is not just a case of “enough said”. The lopey idle has been watered down. And considerably.
As RBB states below, Trickkey has been a bait and switch.
Does your idle sound like this? If not, many people are going to feel mislead, bait and switch, whatever you want to call it. I'd wager that the vast majority of owners will never drive their Boss on a track, and the engine braking, etc. will never be of any real use to them the way they will drive their cars on the street. The idle on the other hand, would be very noticeable, and a nice conversation piece at shows, cruise ins, and stop lights. I'd say many people were drawn to that old school muscle car sound, and was the only real reason they were interested in Trackey, and from the vids I've heard of it, they didn't get anything close to what was promoted to them as the cars were being marketed.
And he is right, IMO.
The irony of this whole episode (and which many of you think “ohhhh it’s ok, things are just fine”) the lopey idle was the genesis for the whole trackkey idea. Quoting from an article written by Mr. Tom Wilson for 5.0-
“It all started, as Jeff Seaman told us, with a request from The Program (Ford-speak for the Boss 302 program managers) for a lopey idle.”
Before I continue let that sink in a minute. The FIRST ITEM ON THE BOSS 302 MANAGERS AGENDA WAS TO GIVE THE CAR A LOPEY IDLE. A Lopey idle was their PRIMARY got-to-have to launch dual path PCM programming. Not engine braking, not throttle response, not launch control, Program Management wanted a bad sounding lopey idle.
Ok, to continue, “And that was it. That was the mode, the lopey-idle mode…A lot of us that were non-calibrators, and myself with a calibration background, sat down…and said, ‘What else could be put in?’…And so we outlined this basic idea of, ‘Hey, let’s do unique variable cam timing. Some stuff stayed in, some stuff got thrifed that didn’t make sense as we started to dig through it…”
Sorry, my opinion is the primary directive for the whole TK initiative was the idle characteristics, which have been altered to an extent that some hear little or no idle difference. Bait and switch, bowing to CARB and Ford Racing trying to get something, ANYTHING out the door to the owners who have had their cars for 8+ months and are raising Cain about when they will deliver as promised. Unfortunately, they did not.
11/8/11, 07:56 PM
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You guys do realize that the lopey idle is nothing more than a playing card in your spokes. It should be called fake cam instead. If you want lope, replace your cams and get some real gain out of it. Or just unplug a coil.
11/8/11, 08:26 PM
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I stand by my statement that it's the same as the car I drove at TA. I did not say it was the same as the one in the video, it is not. We didn't even notice the lopey idle until we pulled off the track when the cars were hot. I noticed the shaking before I noticed the idle.
11/8/11, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
Rick, unfortunately I as well as many others on this Forum disagree. The idle is not the same. And it is not just a case of “enough said”. The lopey idle has been watered down. And considerably.
As RBB states below, Trickkey has been a bait and switch.
And he is right, IMO.
The irony of this whole episode (and which many of you think “ohhhh it’s ok, things are just fine”) the lopey idle was the genesis for the whole trackkey idea. Quoting from an article written by Mr. Tom Wilson for 5.0-
“It all started, as Jeff Seaman told us, with a request from The Program (Ford-speak for the Boss 302 program managers) for a lopey idle.”
Before I continue let that sink in a minute. The FIRST ITEM ON THE BOSS 302 MANAGERS AGENDA WAS TO GIVE THE CAR A LOPEY IDLE. A Lopey idle was their PRIMARY got-to-have to launch dual path PCM programming. Not engine braking, not throttle response, not launch control, Program Management wanted a bad sounding lopey idle.
Ok, to continue, “And that was it. That was the mode, the lopey-idle mode…A lot of us that were non-calibrators, and myself with a calibration background, sat down…and said, ‘What else could be put in?’…And so we outlined this basic idea of, ‘Hey, let’s do unique variable cam timing. Some stuff stayed in, some stuff got thrifed that didn’t make sense as we started to dig through it…”
Sorry, my opinion is the primary directive for the whole TK initiative was the idle characteristics, which have been altered to an extent that some hear little or no idle difference. Bait and switch, bowing to CARB and Ford Racing trying to get something, ANYTHING out the door to the owners who have had their cars for 8+ months and are raising Cain about when they will deliver as promised. Unfortunately, they did not.
As RBB states below, Trickkey has been a bait and switch.
And he is right, IMO.
The irony of this whole episode (and which many of you think “ohhhh it’s ok, things are just fine”) the lopey idle was the genesis for the whole trackkey idea. Quoting from an article written by Mr. Tom Wilson for 5.0-
“It all started, as Jeff Seaman told us, with a request from The Program (Ford-speak for the Boss 302 program managers) for a lopey idle.”
Before I continue let that sink in a minute. The FIRST ITEM ON THE BOSS 302 MANAGERS AGENDA WAS TO GIVE THE CAR A LOPEY IDLE. A Lopey idle was their PRIMARY got-to-have to launch dual path PCM programming. Not engine braking, not throttle response, not launch control, Program Management wanted a bad sounding lopey idle.
Ok, to continue, “And that was it. That was the mode, the lopey-idle mode…A lot of us that were non-calibrators, and myself with a calibration background, sat down…and said, ‘What else could be put in?’…And so we outlined this basic idea of, ‘Hey, let’s do unique variable cam timing. Some stuff stayed in, some stuff got thrifed that didn’t make sense as we started to dig through it…”
Sorry, my opinion is the primary directive for the whole TK initiative was the idle characteristics, which have been altered to an extent that some hear little or no idle difference. Bait and switch, bowing to CARB and Ford Racing trying to get something, ANYTHING out the door to the owners who have had their cars for 8+ months and are raising Cain about when they will deliver as promised. Unfortunately, they did not.
11/9/11, 07:24 AM
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Just went for a shove using TracKey. Pulled into our underground garage at work and was caught off guard by the lopey idle as everything's louder inside. I honestly haven't paid much attention to the idle when I've driven it with TK the past week, so today I listened a little more closely. There's definitely a different, noticably lopey idle with TK.
Got the car back this afternoon. I took it thru some paces on the street and highway. Initial thoughts are that I like it. Worth the money. It might not idle as lopey and loud as I had thought it would, but I feel the engine braking and it does sound a bit louder and different.
The following info should answer some of your questions. I did some digging and this is what I found from FRPP and the TracKey:
1) Lopey idle is significantly more pronounced with the side exhaust plates completely removed. It is also more pronounced with the A/C off. Combustion stability increases with increasing engine load, so anything that increases engine load (such as A/C) will decrease the "lopeyness" of the idle, which is created by increasing cam overlap at idle to simulate the "racing cam" sound and feel of 60's muscle cars. This is purely the physics of the way internal combustion engines work.
2) One of the videos in circulation shows a prototype level of TracKey software that was not emissions legal. No claim was made as to that being the final product. The level of cam overlap was slightly reduced to pass emissions. We worked very hard to meet emissions regulations and provide the industry-first lopey idle feature, and we feel we've reached the optimal solution that satisfies both criteria.
Please continue to enjoy your Bosses!!!
Have a good one!Deysha
Last edited by FordService; 11/9/11 at 07:28 AM.