What are some improvements you want to see in the NEXT GEN redesign?
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I agree the sky is not falling. I do think Ford would do well to add an entry level mustang with the basic 180-200 Hp. Just my 2 cents.
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I only have ONE major suggestion for Ford, especially in reference to the Mustang, get rid of the fat people seats. They do not need to be so wide.
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Going backwards doesn't make any sense at all unless a 4 banger is involved, and even that is questionable.
Why drop a 4 banger in the Mustang when you can buy a $22,145 305hp V6 that gets 31mpg?
I think dropping a 250-280hp 4 banger is an interesting thought, because I am a fan of the SVO Mustang. But, in no way was I suggesting Ford "should" do that.
If they ever do that, I hope its a SVO tribute. Special styling, handling package etc. Highly doubt it will be cheaper than the current V6 Mustang. MPG, would be about the same or worse considering the weight of the car.
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I'm not sure if you'd see people using the 'if it doesn't have a V6 I won't buy the base car'
like we do about the GT having an 8. (which I don't see going ANYWHERE in the forseable future)
The only downside is that Fords marketting would have to explain to the Joe Public that even though it has less HP, it performs = to or better than the previous model, AND gets better gas mileage.
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IF the 4 banger can get the car moving at the same/more and get better MPG I don't see why it would be a problem. (especially if the car is lighter)
I'm not sure if you'd see people using the 'if it doesn't have a V6 I won't buy the base car'
like we do about the GT having an 8. (which I don't see going ANYWHERE in the forseable future)
The only downside is that Fords marketting would have to explain to the Joe Public that even though it has less HP, it performs = to or better than the previous model, AND gets better gas mileage.
I'm not sure if you'd see people using the 'if it doesn't have a V6 I won't buy the base car'
like we do about the GT having an 8. (which I don't see going ANYWHERE in the forseable future)
The only downside is that Fords marketting would have to explain to the Joe Public that even though it has less HP, it performs = to or better than the previous model, AND gets better gas mileage.
If gas prices get insanely high again, Ford may think 4. But, you can bet the performance will not match the current 6. People won't care either, especially if they have to pay over $5.00 a gallon.
Speaking of the V8 GT. That's the only type of Stang that I've ever owned. But, I am curious about a TTV6. I bet you the performance numbers would be close to the 5.0
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Thats a pretty big "IF". I see it costing Ford more money to mod the 4 to reach the performance level of the current 6.
If gas prices get insanely high again, Ford may think 4. But, you can bet the performance will not match the current 6. People won't care either, especially if they have to pay over $5.00 a gallon.
If gas prices get insanely high again, Ford may think 4. But, you can bet the performance will not match the current 6. People won't care either, especially if they have to pay over $5.00 a gallon.
My thought process is that ford took too big a leap forward for the base model. I know I don't want my 16 year old nephew driving a 305 hp mustang. The V6 was the entry level car. Now it is a performance car, which there is nothing wrong with, except it leaves a gaping hole in ford's line up.
Ford had the 140hp new focus coupe, but then there is a huge gap until the 305 hp entry mustang. I am an average joe or josey with no track experience. The focus is boring, but the mustang is too powerful...what do they buy, a genesis coupe, an eclipse, a scion?
I think there is a good sales opportunity to have an entry level engine in there.
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- Slightly smaller
- Lighter (200-300lbs per Ford's stated goals)
- Improved aerodynamics
- Hatchback (seamlessly integrated into Mustang styling)
- Improved visibility/sight lines (lower beltline and cowl height mainly)
- IRS
- DCT (replacing slush box)
- Unified data screed that would include:
- OBDII/ECU data, including fault codes, engine parameters, etc.
- Internet access/integration with nav features
- Adjustable driving settings (shocks, steering, traction and stability control, throttle, shifting, etc.) with both standard settings and also fully personalizable settings
- Recaros
- Full cold weather package (heated seats, wheel, mirrors, wiper lands, windshield washer jets)
- Keyless entry
- All LED lighting (other than headlights).
- DI across engines
dont care much for the cold weather stuff, living in CA and all :P, but thats pretty much it. im all for it, just not an option box i'd check. same with keyless
rest of that sounds good and none of it is too intrusive. But man that car needs to get smaller
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Yeah, I can see a market for an entry level , maybe 4 cylinder Mustang with around 200hp. Another benefit is that it could have a base price lower than the current V6 (great for attracting entry level buyers). They could have the same options and trim levels available as the V6 model, allowing entry level buyers to get Sync, leather seats, etc.
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If by current 6 you mean the antique 4.0, then 200 hp fours are out there. Not a huge stretch. It could definitely be on par with the SN95s which made great starter cars.
My thought process is that ford took too big a leap forward for the base model. I know I don't want my 16 year old nephew driving a 305 hp mustang. The V6 was the entry level car. Now it is a performance car, which there is nothing wrong with, except it leaves a gaping hole in ford's line up.
Ford had the 140hp new focus coupe, but then there is a huge gap until the 305 hp entry mustang. I am an average joe or josey with no track experience. The focus is boring, but the mustang is too powerful...what do they buy, a genesis coupe, an eclipse, a scion?
I think there is a good sales opportunity to have an entry level engine in there.
My thought process is that ford took too big a leap forward for the base model. I know I don't want my 16 year old nephew driving a 305 hp mustang. The V6 was the entry level car. Now it is a performance car, which there is nothing wrong with, except it leaves a gaping hole in ford's line up.
Ford had the 140hp new focus coupe, but then there is a huge gap until the 305 hp entry mustang. I am an average joe or josey with no track experience. The focus is boring, but the mustang is too powerful...what do they buy, a genesis coupe, an eclipse, a scion?
I think there is a good sales opportunity to have an entry level engine in there.
No. The current V6 is 305hp.
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Adding a 4-cyl Mustang is just going to steal the thunder from another Ford vehicle. That's what cars like the Fusion and Focus are for. While there are cars like the Gen coupe in 2.0T trim, I don't think it's cost effective to make that move for them.
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The 4.0 left a big niche to fill. That is the reason for my comments. No for a 300HP 4 cylinder, but a 200 hp car.
The Fusion and Focus do not compete in any category with the mustang, and have done fine sitting next to a 200 HP mustang for the last decade. Why would a 200 hp mustang all the sudden steal their sales??
The Fusion and Focus do not compete in any category with the mustang, and have done fine sitting next to a 200 HP mustang for the last decade. Why would a 200 hp mustang all the sudden steal their sales??
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People won't be satisified with a 200hp Mustang any more. Not when the Civic or Camry can beat it off the line. Just because you're satisfied with a previous model, doesn't mean the new Mustang buyer would be.
I can see this conversation is going nowhere, so I'm done with this discussion.
I can see this conversation is going nowhere, so I'm done with this discussion.
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The 4.0 left a big niche to fill. That is the reason for my comments. No for a 300HP 4 cylinder, but a 200 hp car.
The Fusion and Focus do not compete in any category with the mustang, and have done fine sitting next to a 200 HP mustang for the last decade. Why would a 200 hp mustang all the sudden steal their sales??
The Fusion and Focus do not compete in any category with the mustang, and have done fine sitting next to a 200 HP mustang for the last decade. Why would a 200 hp mustang all the sudden steal their sales??
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I had an '01 3.8 for almost 4 years and loved every minute of it. I actually wish that I put cash down on my '05 and kept the '01 instead of trading it.
Ford needs a Tiboron (sp) fighter. I see too many entry-level asian imports owners that could have bought a Mustang if the price point were competitive...
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I didn't go anywhere
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I had an '01 3.8 for almost 4 years and loved every minute of it. I actually wish that I put cash down on my '05 and kept the '01 instead of trading it.
Ford needs a Tiboron (sp) fighter. I see too many entry-level asian imports owners that could have bought a Mustang if the price point were competitive...
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I had an '01 3.8 for almost 4 years and loved every minute of it. I actually wish that I put cash down on my '05 and kept the '01 instead of trading it.
Ford needs a Tiboron (sp) fighter. I see too many entry-level asian imports owners that could have bought a Mustang if the price point were competitive...
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