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Old 1/16/15, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrsuitcase
Ford will not discontinue the V8. YOU WILL.


Ford will make a V6 eco that performs better than the current Coyote. They will give you the option of a top-end V6 eco, or a less performing old-school V8 for slightly less $$.


After a 3-5 years, when everyone is on the V6 eco train, the V8 will be discontinued because the customers didn't want it anymore.


That's my prediction - the most graceful exit they can make from the V8.
The V8 aftermarket may counter that.
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Originally Posted by Mrsuitcase
Ford will not discontinue the V8. YOU WILL. Ford will make a V6 eco that performs better than the current Coyote. They will give you the option of a top-end V6 eco, or a less performing old-school V8 for slightly less $$. After a 3-5 years, when everyone is on the V6 eco train, the V8 will be discontinued because the customers didn't want it anymore. That's my prediction - the most graceful exit they can make from the V8.
See: F-150.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
IMO it also wouldn't make any sense for Ford killing off the V8 engine in just 2 years from now, after just recently introducing they're all new 5.2L flat plane V8 for the upcoming 2016 Shelby GT350.. It just wouldn't add up at all especially after all the R&D costs it took for development
See: 2013-2014 GT500 5.8 V8.
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Originally Posted by laserred38
If chevy makes a 4.0 V8, Ford will make a 2.5... Am I right or am I right?
Agree!
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
The V8 aftermarket may counter that.
The aftermarket along with Ford racing parts will still be around..
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Originally Posted by laserred38
See: 2013-2014 GT500 5.8 V8.
Patrick ! Although the 5.8 V8 won't be used in the 2016 GT350.. It's possible it'll return when the next GT500 arrives, whenever that'll be

In the meantime, it could also be used for truck duty in the F-250/350 super duty series..
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Originally Posted by Mrsuitcase
Ford will not discontinue the V8. YOU WILL.


Ford will make a V6 eco that performs better than the current Coyote. They will give you the option of a top-end V6 eco, or a less performing old-school V8 for slightly less $$.


After a 3-5 years, when everyone is on the V6 eco train, the V8 will be discontinued because the customers didn't want it anymore.


That's my prediction - the most graceful exit they can make from the V8.
The Eco V6 in the new Raptor already produces more power (stated by ford) then the 6.2 V8 411-horsepower, 434-lb-ft, making it as powerful and more the current 5.0. Even more actually, as the F-150's 5.0 rating are lower then the mustangs at 385 HP, 387 LB-FT.

I know Chrysler even stated they are working on their own powerful Turbo V6 Pentastar engine to be used in future projects, making some people suspicious thinking that they might replace the 5.7 Hemi, as there are no plans to improve upon that engine ,which is kind of lacking power by today's standards , so I dont think we are far of from seeing Challenger, Mustang, then most likely Camaro battle it out with Turbo V6s.
I guess 2018-2020 will be the time where this might be the scenario.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Patrick ! Although the 5.8 V8 won't be used in the 2016 GT350.. It's possible it'll return when the next GT500 arrives, whenever that'll be In the meantime, it could also be used for truck duty in the F-250/350 super duty series..
The 5.8 is done. It's based on the old modular platform, and if the GT wasn't released with it, it won't be used again. May it rest in peace.
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Originally Posted by laserred38
The 5.8 is done. It's based on the old modular platform, and if the GT wasn't released with it, it won't be used again. May it rest in peace.
But isn't the current Coyote and new 5.2L flat plane based upon the same modular platform
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
But isn't the current Coyote and new 5.2L flat plane based upon the same modular platform
In a way yes - the only similarity is the spacing between the bores, so the machinery could be reused - just about everything else is different.
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I think we need for Ford to chime in. All this speculation by us is interesting but pointless for now. Yes the new GT and Raptor both sport a V6TT. I think Ford has lots of headroom to develop the flat plane V8 as a replacement for the current Coyote.
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Originally Posted by laserred38
In a way yes - the only similarity is the spacing between the bores, so the machinery could be reused - just about everything else is different.
Although the current 5.0 Coyote is going on it's 5th year of production, I wouldn't consider it as being obsolete by any means, at least not just yet anyhow.. And now with the addition of the all new flat plane 5.2L that was just recently introduced, Ford should at least plan on keeping it around for at least the next 5-6 years ? Plus they can always add direct injection to make it even more fuel efficient as well
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Although the current 5.0 Coyote is going on it's 5th year of production, I wouldn't consider it as being obsolete by any means, at least not just yet anyhow.. And now with the addition of the all new flat plane 5.2L that was just recently introduced, Ford should at least plan on keeping it around for at least the next 5-6 years ? Plus they can always add direct injection to make it even more fuel efficient as well
I don't consider it obsolete either. It's a hugely complex engine with a ton of technology baked into it (with room to grow). But you and I don't work for Ford, and we're not under the govt's microscope - well, at least not in the same way...
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Originally Posted by MuddyLX
I think we need for Ford to chime in. All this speculation by us is interesting but pointless for now. Yes the new GT and Raptor both sport a V6TT. I think Ford has lots of headroom to develop the flat plane V8 as a replacement for the current Coyote.
Exactly why Ford should keep it around
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Originally Posted by laserred38
I don't consider it obsolete either. It's a hugely complex engine with a ton of technology baked into it (with room to grow). But you and I don't work for Ford, and we're not under the govt's microscope - well, at least not in the same way...
Hey Patrick ! We are being watched at this very moment right now
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Although the current 5.0 Coyote is going on it's 5th year of production, I wouldn't consider it as being obsolete by any means, at least not just yet anyhow.. And now with the addition of the all new flat plane 5.2L that was just recently introduced, Ford should at least plan on keeping it around for at least the next 5-6 years ? Plus they can always add direct injection to make it even more fuel efficient as well
My understanding is that the 5.2L motor is a slightly modified version, either bored out a bit or the piston travel is slightly longer, I don't recall which.

As for direct injection, I imagine it is more involved than just "adding it".

The R&D required to make changes to these engines must cost a lot, I would think they need to test each change in various conditions, run hundreds of engines 24/7 to wear them out and find the weak points, etc.

If you're building a million such engines a year, then $100 million R&D is only $100 per engine. If you're building 10,000 such engines a year, then it is way too much.

Volume, I suspect, is everything in the car business.
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The real question is how much more power can they squeeze from the coyote (without boost) and keep it streetable. If HP keeps inching up, there may be reason to look elsewhere for power.
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Originally Posted by FlyTexas
My understanding is that the 5.2L motor is a slightly modified version, either bored out a bit or the piston travel is slightly longer, I don't recall which.
The 5.2L is more than just a slightly modified version, as the flat plane crank is altogether new technology added to this motor..

Originally Posted by FlyTexas
As for direct injection, I imagine it is more involved than just "adding it".
Okay ! Perhaps my wording was off a bit, but you get where I'm coming from

I also fully agree with Patrick's post, as the current Coyote does indeed have tons of advance technology with lots of room to grow as well, but also as he said.. We don't work for Ford either
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Supposed Source Inside Ford Confirms It

I'm still taking it with a grain of salt, but apparently horsepowerkings.com has a source inside Ford confirming the V8's demise...
https://themustangsource.com/2017-la...tang-v8-12683/
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Originally Posted by JonathonK
I'm still taking it with a grain of salt, but apparently horsepowerkings.com has a source inside Ford confirming the V8's demise...
https://themustangsource.com/2017-la...tang-v8-12683/
Isn't that the same link from the first page of this post which Ford has already denied/debunked?


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