Ford to discontinue V8
1/16/15, 11:55 AM
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I have one thing to say - you can BET that Ford is watching this thread. I'd say their rebuttal to the HP Kings article coming out one day later, may have been a direct response to this thread, but I'm still not convinced that the V8, in its current form, is here to stay. Maybe for the life of the S550, but after that, I would bet it's still up in the air. Maybe even for the S550 refresh...
1/16/15, 12:13 PM
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Since the new Raptor is going to have more power than the former V8, which made 411 HP.
1/16/15, 12:17 PM
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Whether this is true or not, no clue. All I can say for sure is that the V8 is a visceral experience. No other motor has that same unique sound of a V8. Not a V10, not a V12, not a V6. Not a 4 banger. Nada. I don't care how many turbo chargers and superchargers you shove under the hood. The sound of a V8 can be recognized by car enthusiasts around the world. It speaks to us in ways no other motor does.
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1/16/15, 12:45 PM
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Whether this is true or not, no clue. All I can say for sure is that the V8 is a visceral experience. No other motor has that same unique sound of a V8. Not a V10, not a V12, not a V6. Not a 4 banger. Nada. I don't care how many turbo chargers and superchargers you shove under the hood. The sound of a V8 can be recognized by car enthusiasts around the world. It speaks to us in ways no other motor does.
That being said, I don't think the EPA cares...
1/16/15, 12:54 PM
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There's nothing like the sound of a V8. Both of my parents' cars have the ecoboost V6. Not mustangs, but they're plenty quick. However, they just don't sound anywhere near as good as my GT. Nothing can compare to the rawness and rumble of a V8. Faster or not.
1/16/15, 04:25 PM
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1/16/15, 05:28 PM
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I think its important for people to understand that you cannot get a v8, rwd, coupe, for the 30-40k range unless its american. Do you know of any car which costs that much, is currently being produced, and has those characteristics? I dont... maybe im not thinking hard enough. Regardless though, Ford will be one less to make such a thing leaving only GM and Chrysler. And i really dont want to have go down that road.
I feel there should at least be a single v8 option, even if it falls under the highest category... hell make it on SVT Ford vehicles only if you have to, but at least leave us that option to have one.
V8s can be made efficient, its not even an issue, the coyote itself is a modern marvel with regard to fuel efficiency for an engine of its size and output.
One of my biggest heartbreaks was not being able to buy the c63 AMG coupe with the 6.3 V8. They no longer produce that engine, it is now extinct. Nevertheless they still kept the v8 in the AMG's but the displacement is smaller and they feature forced induction.
Just the whole no more v8 what so ever thing bothers me. Its not that im being close minded, i understand the performance, the capabilities and advantages of non v8 configurations, you would have to be stupid not to. Some of us are more into cars than others and are more specific with our tastes and preferences. Me personally, i enjoy a naturally aspirated v8. At the end of the day i feel we should have that option and be able to choose. Not everyone is the same with regards to preferences or finances. Its always good to have a choice... like they offer right now... mustang ecoboost, v6, v8 etc.
I feel there should at least be a single v8 option, even if it falls under the highest category... hell make it on SVT Ford vehicles only if you have to, but at least leave us that option to have one.
V8s can be made efficient, its not even an issue, the coyote itself is a modern marvel with regard to fuel efficiency for an engine of its size and output.
One of my biggest heartbreaks was not being able to buy the c63 AMG coupe with the 6.3 V8. They no longer produce that engine, it is now extinct. Nevertheless they still kept the v8 in the AMG's but the displacement is smaller and they feature forced induction.
Just the whole no more v8 what so ever thing bothers me. Its not that im being close minded, i understand the performance, the capabilities and advantages of non v8 configurations, you would have to be stupid not to. Some of us are more into cars than others and are more specific with our tastes and preferences. Me personally, i enjoy a naturally aspirated v8. At the end of the day i feel we should have that option and be able to choose. Not everyone is the same with regards to preferences or finances. Its always good to have a choice... like they offer right now... mustang ecoboost, v6, v8 etc.
By comparison, Toyota has recently given the world it's over hyped and over priced Scion FR-S. A 200 hp torqueless wonder that costs more than an average V6 or Ecoboost Mustang and can't even deliver the same level of performance. A V6 Mustang with its oh so antiquated solid rear axle beat the super duper FR-S on a road course and beat it soundly. And the FR-S in question actually cost more as I recall.
Step up to the GT Mustang price range and what you have is cars like the 350Z that struggle to compete both performance and sales wise with the much maligned Mustang GT that is so hated by the "I'm too sophisticated for that" Car and Driver crowd.
Nobody knows how to deliver bang for the buck in sports coupes like American companies do. The rest of the world gives you big price tags for less car. So I totally agree with XTC on this one. I too would hate to see the V8 go away. This is why Americans have to be careful who they vote for and they have to be vigilant about holding their elected leaders accountable when they start enacting regulations that will lessen the quality of your lives in the pursuit of their utopia that will never exist.
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1/16/15, 06:28 PM
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I have one thing to say - you can BET that Ford is watching this thread. I'd say their rebuttal to the HP Kings article coming out one day later, may have been a direct response to this thread, but I'm still not convinced that the V8, in its current form, is here to stay. Maybe for the life of the S550, but after that, I would bet it's still up in the air. Maybe even for the S550 refresh...
It's worked in the past and don't see why it would be any different this time around as Ford does listen to their customers via feedback through surveys, e-mail ect.
IMO it also wouldn't make any sense for Ford killing off the V8 engine in just 2 years from now, after just recently introducing they're all new 5.2L flat plane V8 for the upcoming 2016 Shelby GT350.. It just wouldn't add up at all especially after all the R&D costs it took for development
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1/16/15, 06:36 PM
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If it comes down to Ford killing off the V8 in which I highly doubt ? I feel pretty confident the Mustang community will come together just as it has in the past by submitting petitions to Ford..
It's worked in the past and don't see why it would be any different this time around as Ford does listen to their customers via feedback through surveys, e-mail ect.
IMO it also wouldn't make any sense for Ford killing off the V8 engine in just 2 years from now, after just recently introducing they're all new 5.2L flat plane V8 for the upcoming 2016 Shelby GT350.. It just doesn't add up at all after all the R&D costs it took for development
It's worked in the past and don't see why it would be any different this time around as Ford does listen to their customers via feedback through surveys, e-mail ect.
IMO it also wouldn't make any sense for Ford killing off the V8 engine in just 2 years from now, after just recently introducing they're all new 5.2L flat plane V8 for the upcoming 2016 Shelby GT350.. It just doesn't add up at all after all the R&D costs it took for development
1/16/15, 06:47 PM
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My personal suspicion is not that they would drop the V8 but that the V8 would be relegated to cars like the GT350 that you just mentioned or other Mustang models slotted above the GT. The end result would be an entry level 4 cylinder ecoboost followed by a V6 ecoboost at the GT level, possibly with a V8 optional in the GT and then the V8 standard in cars slotted above the GT. I could see Ford doing that to comply with CAFE *****.
1/16/15, 06:54 PM
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1) The sounds. It would be difficult to get used to the lack of rumble in a GT powered by a 6 (unless Ford spends some major money on exhaust) And even then ... I'd miss the visceral sound of a V8.
2) Reliability of a TT V6 setup for track days enthusiasts. I think a NA V8 is far more reliable for people who keep their revs between 4000 and 7000 RPM for 30 minutes at a time 5 times a day for a whole weekend.
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1/16/15, 07:23 PM
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1/16/15, 08:08 PM
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Whether this is true or not, no clue. All I can say for sure is that the V8 is a visceral experience. No other motor has that same unique sound of a V8. Not a V10, not a V12, not a V6. Not a 4 banger. Nada. I don't care how many turbo chargers and superchargers you shove under the hood. The sound of a V8 can be recognized by car enthusiasts around the world. It speaks to us in ways no other motor does.
1/16/15, 08:25 PM
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Whether this is true or not, no clue. All I can say for sure is that the V8 is a visceral experience. No other motor has that same unique sound of a V8. Not a V10, not a V12, not a V6. Not a 4 banger. Nada. I don't care how many turbo chargers and superchargers you shove under the hood. The sound of a V8 can be recognized by car enthusiasts around the world. It speaks to us in ways no other motor does.
Just look how outspoken F1 enthusiasts have been against last years V6TT buzz boxes. The lack of a screaming V8 has killed that visceral experience of F1! 
1/16/15, 08:34 PM
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Ford will not discontinue the V8. YOU WILL.
Ford will make a V6 eco that performs better than the current Coyote. They will give you the option of a top-end V6 eco, or a less performing old-school V8 for slightly less $$.
After a 3-5 years, when everyone is on the V6 eco train, the V8 will be discontinued because the customers didn't want it anymore.
That's my prediction - the most graceful exit they can make from the V8.
Ford will make a V6 eco that performs better than the current Coyote. They will give you the option of a top-end V6 eco, or a less performing old-school V8 for slightly less $$.
After a 3-5 years, when everyone is on the V6 eco train, the V8 will be discontinued because the customers didn't want it anymore.
That's my prediction - the most graceful exit they can make from the V8.