'13-14 Cluster into '10-12 car (with TrackApps) retrofit
3/24/14, 11:09 PM
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Eureka ! .. I am thrilled to report that the issue was my IDS install .. I uninstalled IDS and then reinstalled it .. Once I did that my software acted exactly like JIms ... as soon as I change the PCM part number it went into a PMI .... and I successfully installed Manual Transmission PCM Part# DR3A-ACD in my car .... all is working just like Jims .. all gauges as well as Cruise control Illumination (with 2013 factory switch) work. NO more black box and no more resoldered cruise control. 
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3/25/14, 01:23 AM
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I looked further into installing a premium 2014 cluster onto a base 2014 mustang gt. You need a cluster to match the same gauges as the base model and add my color feature. The dealership is charging $700 for the premium cluster with my color feature and $250 to install and update the information on my old cluster into the new cluster.
3/25/14, 07:06 AM
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I looked further into installing a premium 2014 cluster onto a base 2014 mustang gt. You need a cluster to match the same gauges as the base model and add my color feature. The dealership is charging $700 for the premium cluster with my color feature and $250 to install and update the information on my old cluster into the new cluster.
3/25/14, 07:13 AM
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FYI ... drove the Mustang to work today ..... Kept a close eye on the guages ... I had Zero's black box in the car before but never really watched the gauges that much but I do have some numbers to compare.
The A/F Ratio is definitely RICHER in the 2013 PCM. Normal cruising AFR bounces between 13.8 and 14.1. WOT goes down in the 12's as it should.
Cylinder Head temp is definitely Higher. if I recall ... The 2012 PCM would Cruise at around 195 degrees and go up to maybe 205 in traffic. This morning driving in I think I saw the highest temp go to 218 while waiting at a light and 205 while cruising. At times it did go lower than 205 ... like down to 202 .. but 205 was more the average.
Perhaps that is why Ford added Vents in the 2013 Hood over the cylinder heads? Also to note .. did some Googling this morning and those are the typical cylinder head temps that folks are reporting on 2013 cars ...
The car is running richer so the cylinder heads should run cooler not hotter .. but perhaps the PCM can slow down the water pump or something to bring the temps back up? I'm not sure what method the PCM uses to control Cylinder Head temp .. if any ...
The A/F Ratio is definitely RICHER in the 2013 PCM. Normal cruising AFR bounces between 13.8 and 14.1. WOT goes down in the 12's as it should.
Cylinder Head temp is definitely Higher. if I recall ... The 2012 PCM would Cruise at around 195 degrees and go up to maybe 205 in traffic. This morning driving in I think I saw the highest temp go to 218 while waiting at a light and 205 while cruising. At times it did go lower than 205 ... like down to 202 .. but 205 was more the average.
Perhaps that is why Ford added Vents in the 2013 Hood over the cylinder heads? Also to note .. did some Googling this morning and those are the typical cylinder head temps that folks are reporting on 2013 cars ...
The car is running richer so the cylinder heads should run cooler not hotter .. but perhaps the PCM can slow down the water pump or something to bring the temps back up? I'm not sure what method the PCM uses to control Cylinder Head temp .. if any ...
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3/25/14, 07:17 AM
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I paid $450 for a brand new Boss LCD Cluster, $300 core charge added. I returned my POS Base cluster and they refunded me my $300 core charge no questions asked. (That is with the mileage programmed to my mileage too) Curious to know what they (AutoNation) would charge for a Premium if a Boss was $450
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?
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3/25/14, 07:20 AM
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I paid $450 for a Boss LCD Cluster, $300 core charge added. I returned my POS Base cluster and they refunded me my $300 core charge no questions asked. (That is with the mileage programmed to my mileage too) Curious to know what they (AutoNation) would charge for a Premium if a Boss was $450
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?
Can you verify that 2013 CYL Head temps are in the 205-218 range normally?
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3/25/14, 07:23 AM
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FYI ... drove the Mustang to work today ..... Kept a close eye on the gauges ... I had Zero's black box in the car before but never really watched the gauges that much but I do have some numbers to compare.
The A/F Ratio is definitely RICHER in the 2013 PCM. Normal cruising AFR bounces between 13.8 and 14.1. WOT goes down in the 12's as it should.
Cylinder Head temp is definitely Higher. if I recall ... The 2012 PCM would Cruise at around 195 degrees and go up to maybe 205 in traffic. This morning driving in I think I saw the highest temp go to 218 while waiting at a light and 205 while cruising. At times it did go lower than 205 ... like down to 202 .. but 205 was more the average.
Perhaps that is why Ford added Vents in the 2013 Hood over the cylinder heads? Also to note .. did some Googling this morning and those are the typical cylinder head temps that folks are reporting on 2013 cars ...
The car is running richer so the cylinder heads should run cooler not hotter .. but perhaps the PCM can slow down the water pump or something to bring the temps back up? I'm not sure what method the PCM uses to control Cylinder Head temp .. if any ...
The A/F Ratio is definitely RICHER in the 2013 PCM. Normal cruising AFR bounces between 13.8 and 14.1. WOT goes down in the 12's as it should.
Cylinder Head temp is definitely Higher. if I recall ... The 2012 PCM would Cruise at around 195 degrees and go up to maybe 205 in traffic. This morning driving in I think I saw the highest temp go to 218 while waiting at a light and 205 while cruising. At times it did go lower than 205 ... like down to 202 .. but 205 was more the average.
Perhaps that is why Ford added Vents in the 2013 Hood over the cylinder heads? Also to note .. did some Googling this morning and those are the typical cylinder head temps that folks are reporting on 2013 cars ...
The car is running richer so the cylinder heads should run cooler not hotter .. but perhaps the PCM can slow down the water pump or something to bring the temps back up? I'm not sure what method the PCM uses to control Cylinder Head temp .. if any ...
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Which in turn means STFT's are probably way out of whack. So we need to get those set properly. You typically want as close to 14.7 in closed loop as possible.
Anything 12.5 and below is good for WOT, i'm curious as to what kind of timing you are making. Do you know how to datalog?
The PCM has no real control over the water pump, but it does have control over the fan. I didn't compare those variables, but I would not imagine them being different.
From a previous thread, here are some differences in the tunes (there are more, but these are most significant)
% Pedal for Optimal Power Mode
Adaptive Gain
Adder Max Allowed Spark Cold for TP/cattemp
Base Fuel Table Cold Enrichment BP Decay Lost Time
Desired Idle Spark Drive AC Offgoing
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Exhaust Cam
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Intake Cam
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Idle Air Adder for A/C Based On Head Pressure
Injector Flow Rate Offset for Temp
Maximum Allowed Spark Table Cold Starts Drive
Adaptive Gain
Adder Max Allowed Spark Cold for TP/cattemp
Base Fuel Table Cold Enrichment BP Decay Lost Time
Desired Idle Spark Drive AC Offgoing
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Exhaust Cam
FF Duty Cycle for Bank1 Intake Cam
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Idle Air Adder for A/C Based On Head Pressure
Injector Flow Rate Offset for Temp
Maximum Allowed Spark Table Cold Starts Drive
Well done gentlemen.
-Matt
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3/25/14, 07:38 AM
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From what I see on other forums ... The Mustang GT target AF is 14.1 from the factory .. to compensate for E10 fuel ... 13.5 to 14.1 AFR numbers are typical.
So basically my car is behaving exactly like a 2013 now as far as engine stats ... Question of course is .... The 2012 block uses different piston and rings than the 2013 and has oil squirters. Those are apparantly the ONLY differences that anybody has been able to determine.
So is there any benefit to running a 2012 Calibration in the 2013 PCM ??? Or just leave all as is??
So basically my car is behaving exactly like a 2013 now as far as engine stats ... Question of course is .... The 2012 block uses different piston and rings than the 2013 and has oil squirters. Those are apparantly the ONLY differences that anybody has been able to determine.
So is there any benefit to running a 2012 Calibration in the 2013 PCM ??? Or just leave all as is??
3/25/14, 07:53 AM
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Well, if it drives ok, the only thing left to know for sure is how much timing is being made.
I would also want to know what the Short Term Fuel Trims are, just sounds suspicious.... You can look at these via data-logging in IDS. I do know that the nothing changed in the Base fuel table, so humm...
-Matt
3/25/14, 08:21 AM
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zero .. you have access to the timing table I am sure .. can you compare 2012 to 2013 tables ??
Things are running richer probably due to
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Which in turn means STFT's are probably way out of whack. So we need to get those set properly. You typically want as close to 14.7 in closed loop as possible.
Anything 12.5 and below is good for WOT, i'm curious as to what kind of timing you are making. Do you know how to datalog?
The PCM has no real control over the water pump, but it does have control over the fan. I didn't compare those variables, but I would not imagine them being different.
From a previous thread, here are some differences in the tunes (there are more, but these are most significant)
Well done gentlemen.
-Matt
Fuel Rail Pressure
Fuel Rail Pressure Low Speed
Which in turn means STFT's are probably way out of whack. So we need to get those set properly. You typically want as close to 14.7 in closed loop as possible.
Anything 12.5 and below is good for WOT, i'm curious as to what kind of timing you are making. Do you know how to datalog?
The PCM has no real control over the water pump, but it does have control over the fan. I didn't compare those variables, but I would not imagine them being different.
From a previous thread, here are some differences in the tunes (there are more, but these are most significant)
Well done gentlemen.
-Matt
3/25/14, 10:09 AM
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I paid $450 for a brand new Boss LCD Cluster, $300 core charge added. I returned my POS Base cluster and they refunded me my $300 core charge no questions asked. (That is with the mileage programmed to my mileage too) Curious to know what they (AutoNation) would charge for a Premium if a Boss was $450
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?
Congrats Dan! I accidentally flashed my PCM to a Boss callibration just before you and I talked. It scared the crap out of me, but it works perfectly. A person here in ATX bought a Premium Cluster off of ebay last week and we are going to install it in his Base model '13 when it gets here. Do you think we should flash his PCM to a '13 Premium calibration to get the MyColor to show up?