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Where does the 2013 GT 5.0 get the extra 8 horsepower?

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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 50_lover
I've read multiple articles that state, removal of the oil squirters, coating on the pistons, and ECU recalibration. The last article I read said they found the oil squirters were unnecessary. I don't know anything about mechanical engineering, but I would think if you have less friction, and you remove a part which requires energy, this alone would result in more horsepower. Why in the world should I doubt Ford? Why would they go to the trouble of lying to the public about 8 hp? They made this change for cost savings, not to impress anyone or boost sales.
I tend to agree that this was a CIP for Ford. (cost improvement project)
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheReaper
My 2011 uses zero oil and never has so I will call Bull**** on this theory.
Yea.. And I have a 2004 6.0 PSD that has 150k trouble-free miles, so I call BS on all the alleged problems they have also!
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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Maybe I've just got a good engine that burns no oil.
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheReaper
Maybe I've just got a good engine that burns no oil.
Maybe you have no idea what youre talking about since every combustion engine requires oil for lubrication so your pistons arent grinding against the cylinder walls. So your halfshaft and crankshaft arent grinding while rotating. So your engine lasts more than 5 seconds
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CCTking

Maybe you have no idea what youre talking about since every combustion engine requires oil for lubrication so your pistons arent grinding against the cylinder walls. So your halfshaft and crankshaft arent grinding while rotating. So your engine lasts more than 5 seconds
That's mean. LOL
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CCTking

Maybe you have no idea what youre talking about since every combustion engine requires oil for lubrication so your pistons arent grinding against the cylinder walls. So your halfshaft and crankshaft arent grinding while rotating. So your engine lasts more than 5 seconds
That time of month huh?
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 11:32 PM
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You guys know how the internet works. Stupidity must be punished (:
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TheReaper
My 2011 uses zero oil and never has so I will call Bull**** on this theory.
Yes, because your car is exactly representative of every single car built during the year yours was.

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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CCTking
Maybe you have no idea what youre talking about since every combustion engine requires oil for lubrication so your pistons arent grinding against the cylinder walls. So your halfshaft and crankshaft arent grinding while rotating. So your engine lasts more than 5 seconds
I don't think he meant that his motor doesn't require oil to run...just that it doesn't burn it. This doesn't make his point valid but it means that your criticism is misguided.

I'll let someone else punish you for your lack of reading comprehension.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX

I don't think he meant that his motor doesn't require oil to run...just that it doesn't burn it. This doesn't make his point valid but it means that your criticism is misguided.

I'll let someone else punish you for your lack of reading comprehension.
Its the internet i can do what i want!
Maybe we both are guilty of both comprehension (me) and not sending a clear message (otha guy)
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Old Apr 4, 2012 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethanjbeau
It's just rated again. We all knew it makes more than 412hp. They're simply changing it on their brochures and advertisements. GM did the same thing with the 2012 V6 camaro. Made it 312 from 304 because the mustang has 305.

I doubt anything changed. It's always made that much anyways.
This theory is proven by JLT Performance's latest dyno runs on their new 2013 GT. Baseline was 360 rwhp, the same as the 2011 and 2012 engines and even less than some unmodified motors have pulled.
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Old Apr 4, 2012 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stevegt2012
This theory is proven by JLT Performance's latest dyno runs on their new 2013 GT. Baseline was 360 rwhp, the same as the 2011 and 2012 engines and even less than some unmodified motors have pulled.
Um, no. We've proven the motor lost oil squirters and the pistons are revised, and speculate that the factory tune is revised to accommodate this. Take a second to read through this thread and find the facts.
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Um, no. We've proven the motor lost oil squirters and the pistons are revised, and speculate that the factory tune is revised to accommodate this. Take a second to read through this thread and find the facts.

Unless I'm completely misreading stevegt2012's post, he merely agreed that the motor wasn't actually making more power but was re-rated to be closer to reality...which by all tests that I have seen, is correct.

EDIT... ok, looking at what Steve quoted from the previous post, it might have been interpreted that the "SIMPLY re-rating" comment was meant to imply that they believed there were no other changes to the motor...which is silly at this point.

Anyway, it looks like the revised motor has a tiny bit more area under the power curve, which bench racers on the internets are starting to recognize as a possibly even more important measure of engine performance...at least as worthy of consideration as peak hp/torque numbers....but that the rating change was JUST a rating change and that there was no appreciable increase in peak power output.

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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 07:59 AM
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JLT said the stock tune was different and that the car has more mid range hp.
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MRGTX
...Anyway, it looks like the revised motor has a tiny bit more area under the power curve, which bench racers on the internets are starting to recognize as a possibly even more important measure of engine performance...at least as worthy of consideration as peak hp/torque numbers....but that the rating change was JUST a rating change and that there was no appreciable increase in peak power output.
Originally Posted by RedCandy5.0
JLT said the stock tune was different and that the car has more mid range hp.
This is what I have gathered as well as noted above.
It doesn't refute the observation that the motor is making nearly identical peak power with a different rating.
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Old Aug 3, 2016 | 05:04 AM
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I believe the pistons are powdered coated and the oil cooling jets are deleted. The pistons are similar to the Boss minus the tune and manifold. It is friction which help give a slight boast in HP. Overall it is so slight it cannot be felt. 412 or 420 it is not a big deal and at the end of the day it is the driver who wins races not the 8 HP.
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