Really? I apologize, jlmounce. I didn't realize you either owned the bandwidth, or were on the TMS board of ethics. I'll be sure to confer with you before even thinking about posting again.

If the definitive information regarding whether or not the 2013 Coyote retains its oil squirters is your "marketing gimmick" theory, then you'll forgive me if I remain skeptical. Considering the 2013's aren't even out, yet, I was simply asking mycroft how he could "know for a fact" that no changes were made to the '13 Coyote. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and read one's post before replying to it, let alone beginning it with a lecture about reading.

If the 2013 Coyote is, in fact, devoid of oil squirters, perhaps Ford had ulterior motives for deleting them; perhaps the eight additional horsepower came as a result of them fixing a separate issue? Maybe it just comes down to Ford cutting cost. Do you think if that were the case, they would be so open to providing any level of insight?

Mentioning "lessons learned from Roadrunner" is a helluva lot easier than saying, "we deleted the oil squirters from the 2013 Coyote -- you know, the very things we made such a huge deal about when the 2011 Coyote was announced -- you know, the very things we're making a huge deal about in the 5.8L Trinity program. But, don't worry, we've found an additional eight horsepower."

Bingo. Until someone tears down a 2013 Coyote, everything stated in this thread and the thread found in the "pinned section of this forum itself" is pure speculation and conjecture.

 

Clearly this thread has devolved into another ignorant argument about whether or not Ford is lying to us and didn't change anything about the motor. Like MARZ said, until someone cracks open a 2013 Coyote, the majority won't know for sure. Those that do haven't been given the go ahead to divulge that information, and aren't going to burn bridges with their sources over making the public happy.

With that said, it's time to close this discussion again. When the facts come out, some of you should enjoy the taste of crow.

 

*Ahem...*

https://themustangsource.com/f800/co...irters-506361/

 

No way, really? There were internal changes made to the 2013 Coyote?

 

what now???

 

 

 

Sooo...looks like the poor ba$tards who ran tunes and had failures did Ford's R&D for them.

Are the new pistons the same as the Boss pieces? They still look cast to me...but I'm no expert.

 

Still cast, same rods, have some type of heat treatment on then and different oil passage ... hence no more squirters.

Block is also different but how its different hasn't been determined yet.

 

Sure it has

http://fordracingparts.com/parts/par...KeyField=22639

(read the tech notes, especially the second to last)

Where's all these guys who were quoting the buyers guide or whatever and know people at ford who confirmed things?

clowns


Next question I have is did the later 2012's get block off plates and the new pistons? Or did this not start until 2013 model year with the new block?

 

very good question.. ford is known for changing over parts/equipment late in model runs or when supplies are depleted

 

2012 looks, 2013 revised engine...this would be the unicorn of S197s.
If only they ran out of 2012 style rear tail lights too!

 

So it looks to me like Ford is solving a couple issues with this new "design". This is pure speculation, but it seems that the extra groove is to help with the oil consumption, along with the added drain holes. They must have also found that coating/treating the pistons is sufficient to deal with heat, and deleting the squirters lessened windage (maybe also helped with oil consumption), and added some h/p.

 

You actually beleive what that says??? Point is it could be more than just the oils squirters . . . Someone at S197 ordered a new block and has an old one on hand - he is going to compare once he receives like he did for the pistons.

Piston part numbers didn't change until 2013 production started. Still IMO means nothing until someone opens their late year 2012 motor up to look - who knows what Ford is putting in these things and when they changed. Only confirmed change I know of on later production 2012's was the timing cover.

 

Agree.

 

I would really like to see all the engineering degrees around here.

 

I've read multiple articles that state, removal of the oil squirters, coating on the pistons, and ECU recalibration. The last article I read said they found the oil squirters were unnecessary. I don't know anything about mechanical engineering, but I would think if you have less friction, and you remove a part which requires energy, this alone would result in more horsepower. Why in the world should I doubt Ford? Why would they go to the trouble of lying to the public about 8 hp? They made this change for cost savings, not to impress anyone or boost sales.

 

My 2011 uses zero oil and never has so I will call Bull**** on this theory.

 

Without oil, how is your engine working

 

One car is not indicative of the entire gamut of testing that Ford has done with this motor. If they found an issue with oil consumption in numerous cars, they'll look at it and revise as needed. They may have found something that needed attention, but it may not affect all cars. Relax.