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Old Nov 19, 2011 | 06:46 PM
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Ford certainly didn't pull a GM and re-certify their motor a few years later. There were internal changes to the motor, which came from the RoadRunner (Boss 302) motor development.
This. Dont know where i read it but this man speaks the truth.
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Old Nov 19, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:18 AM
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The current 11-12 GT owners seem to be upset that the new model is getting a modest 8hp bump lol at least you don't have the buyers remorse that 2010 GT owners got when the 2011 came out.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
The current 11-12 GT owners seem to be upset that the new model is getting a modest 8hp bump lol at least you don't have the buyers remorse that 2010 GT owners got when the 2011 came out.
I think 11/12 folks are thinking the 2013 may be more durable.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Ford certainly didn't pull a GM and re-certify their motor a few years later. There were internal changes to the motor, which came from the RoadRunner (Boss 302) motor development.
no marketing department would be so dumb as to not have made that VERY well known. We wouldn't be guessing. BTW, power ratings are whatever the manufacturer says they are. People just get unhappy if the real output is lower than what is claimed.

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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 11:13 AM
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Not about to trade for that large hp jump....just curious as others are.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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I think 11/12 folks are thinking the 2013 may be more durable.
I wish Ford stuck with the tremec for all models and not just the svt. I'm sure the mustang magazines will give the specifics to the changes
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
The current 11-12 GT owners seem to be upset that the new model is getting a modest 8hp bump lol at least you don't have the buyers remorse that 2010 GT owners got when the 2011 came out.
Nope...purely curious. I haven't seen anyone get upset.

I am thrilled with the stock motor in my car. Another 8hp would be welcome, of course but probably not even noticable.

It's the 2015 motor that I'm curious about. I'm predicting the appearance of the direct injection (finally) and forged internals for everybody.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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Nope...purely curious. I haven't seen anyone get upset.

I am thrilled with the stock motor in my car. Another 8hp would be welcome, of course but probably not even noticable.

It's the 2015 motor that I'm curious about. I'm predicting the appearance of the direct injection (finally) and forged internals for everybody.
I for one hope not to see direct injection.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:49 AM
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I for one hope not to see direct injection.
Thats because you'll have to work on them!!
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by texastboneking

I for one hope not to see direct injection.
No way man. Too much pressure for gasoline on top of a hot engine. There's gonna be problems. I know that it's been done already but I don't think it's safe.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:05 AM
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Thats because you'll have to work on them!!
No not my reason
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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No way man. Too much pressure for gasoline on top of a hot engine. There's gonna be problems. I know that it's been done already but I don't think it's safe.
That and aftermarket support and fuel delivery problems are what is keeping me from wanting it. Kinda like the ecoboosts.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:48 AM
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There are legitimate worried about DI on gasoline motors...but when it works right, there is a really impressive improvement in power and efficiency. I have faith that Ford could pull it off.

Regardless, the forged internals would be amazing.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:51 AM
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There are legitimate worried about DI on gasoline motors...but when it works right, there is a really impressive improvement in power and efficiency. I have faith that Ford could pull it off.

Regardless, the forged internals would be amazing.
Right. But you can kiss supercharging at turboing goodbye if they go Di
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by texastboneking

Right. But you can kiss supercharging at turboing goodbye if they go Di
Nah man. GM used DI on a turbo car already.

I would be more concerned about high pressure gasoline leaks and high pressure injector pumps.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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I disagree. You can add FI to a DI motor, but there are a number of things to consider. Seems like the gains aren't anywhere near as good on DI as it is on PI. Also, almost every DI turbo motor I've seen has some "plateau" that they reach with power levels that is a major pain to break through.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra

Nah man. GM used DI on a turbo car already.

I would be more concerned about high pressure gasoline leaks and high pressure injector pumps.
Well so has Ford. But they design the engines fuel system for what the engine needs. So throwing a supercharger on it would be too much for the fuel system that you cannot upgrade.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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I disagree. You can add FI to a DI motor, but there are a number of things to consider. Seems like the gains aren't anywhere near as good on DI as it is on PI. Also, almost every DI turbo motor I've seen has some "plateau" that they reach with power levels that is a major pain to break through.
That defeates the purpose of a Di motor then...
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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That defeates the purpose of a Di motor then...
How so? At the OEM level, it does not. At the aftermarket level it poses a new set of issues that need to be addressed when power levels reach those levels. All it's going to do is set the aftermarket back until they get past that plateau, and it can be done.

I don't understand how turbo/SC is out of the question on a DI motor. BMW, Audi, Mazda, Ford, GM, etc. already have versions of smaller motors running that exact setup. Granted, most are turbo applications, but a SC should perform similarly, but generate a more linear torque curve. Ford's EcoBoost motors are all DI turbo applications.
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