Some rough luck for me, the GT build thread you don't want to have to make
9/18/12, 12:32 AM
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Misfire Monitor Neutral Profile Correction/Relearn Am I really going to have to pay the dealership $135-168 to have this done? Called all the dealers in the valley, and that was among the more reasonable prices quoted for one hour of labor "If we have to hook 'er up to a laptop".
Is there any other way to complete this procedure with something other than a Ford IDS/VCM setup?
I guess after all the hell Ford has given me, I'm just reluctant to throw them that much money for 10 minutes of their time.
Is there any other way to complete this procedure with something other than a Ford IDS/VCM setup?
I guess after all the hell Ford has given me, I'm just reluctant to throw them that much money for 10 minutes of their time.
9/18/12, 10:39 AM
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The problem is needing to get it done since it seems to increment the misfire count a lot at 3500-4000 rpm and put the car in limp mode for 30 seconds at a time. Very frustrating.
9/18/12, 10:43 AM
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Hah, I'd do a couple cases. My closest dealer wanted $168 ($104 for "hookup to the laptop" $64 for a half hour of labor). That's about where I gave up.
The problem is needing to get it done since it seems to increment the misfire count a lot at 3500-4000 rpm and put the car in limp mode for 30 seconds at a time. Very frustrating.
The problem is needing to get it done since it seems to increment the misfire count a lot at 3500-4000 rpm and put the car in limp mode for 30 seconds at a time. Very frustrating.
9/18/12, 12:23 PM
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9/18/12, 09:16 PM
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Looks good man! I feel your pain i had to replace my stock 5.0 when i spun bearing really bad 
. But i replaced it with this engine, babys beast http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=13113
. But i replaced it with this engine, babys beast http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=13113
9/18/12, 09:27 PM
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There's been a few of you guys who have, and I can't thank you enough! 
so some tech on what's going on:
Looking at two crate motors from Ford
Per ford racing:
Aluminator:
412+ HP, 400+ TQ (not sure what the + means, but that is 10ft-lbs over stock)
11:1
low friction graphal coated Mahle pistons, Manley H beams, forged crank
2013 based block
Stock Coyote heads that have the Boss 302 Springs
6800 rated rpm redline (?)
Then $1600 more (if I sell my Boss intake):
Boss 302 Crate:
Mahle pistons, ? forged I beams, boss rebalanced crank
11:1
444 HP, 380 TQ
CNC heads, sodium filled valves (better heat dissipation), uprate springs
7500 rated redline
improved oil pan, tensioner reliefs added, different exhaust cams
So I had a chat with them that answered some questions, but didn't get me the detailed tech that I wanted.
On the aluminator:
its meant for N/A, increased strength bottom end, would hold up to use with a boss manifold. No real notes on details, high rpm survivability (it should hold up fine is what I was told), or improvements other than strength over the original coyote. Would be nice to talk to the guys who thought up this variant and what they were after.
The boss:
obvious boss motor use is obvious.
Warranty on both is shipping to Ford Racing for teardown, they're cool about any use as long as tuning or lack of maintenance causes an issue. Its a warranty you really don't want to have to use since it calls for pulling the motor.
They are ready-to-go drop-in's for a 2011, both require tuning. includes exhaust manifolds, couldn't understand if the oil cooler was included on the boss crate.
I think at this point unless I just come up short on money or someone can give me a real compelling reason to look at the aluminator, my car will get the boss crate. I am interested in where that extra torque comes from on the aluminator from a curiosity standpoint.
so some tech on what's going on:
Looking at two crate motors from Ford
Per ford racing:
Aluminator:
412+ HP, 400+ TQ (not sure what the + means, but that is 10ft-lbs over stock)
11:1
low friction graphal coated Mahle pistons, Manley H beams, forged crank
2013 based block
Stock Coyote heads that have the Boss 302 Springs
6800 rated rpm redline (?)
Then $1600 more (if I sell my Boss intake):
Boss 302 Crate:
Mahle pistons, ? forged I beams, boss rebalanced crank
11:1
444 HP, 380 TQ
CNC heads, sodium filled valves (better heat dissipation), uprate springs
7500 rated redline
improved oil pan, tensioner reliefs added, different exhaust cams
So I had a chat with them that answered some questions, but didn't get me the detailed tech that I wanted.
On the aluminator:
its meant for N/A, increased strength bottom end, would hold up to use with a boss manifold. No real notes on details, high rpm survivability (it should hold up fine is what I was told), or improvements other than strength over the original coyote. Would be nice to talk to the guys who thought up this variant and what they were after.
The boss:
obvious boss motor use is obvious.
Warranty on both is shipping to Ford Racing for teardown, they're cool about any use as long as tuning or lack of maintenance causes an issue. Its a warranty you really don't want to have to use since it calls for pulling the motor.
They are ready-to-go drop-in's for a 2011, both require tuning. includes exhaust manifolds, couldn't understand if the oil cooler was included on the boss crate.
I think at this point unless I just come up short on money or someone can give me a real compelling reason to look at the aluminator, my car will get the boss crate. I am interested in where that extra torque comes from on the aluminator from a curiosity standpoint.
9/19/12, 06:28 AM
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I know you said you called all dealers, but did you ask Robert Horne in Apache Junction? I was getting the same quotes from every other dealer to flash the ACM. Horne did it for $45. Might be worth a call. Then again factoring the long drive and gas, $168 might not be so bad. I went directly to the Service Manager at Horne. His name is Scott Van Meter.
9/19/12, 02:23 PM
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OK LET'S TAKE HER TO 8000 RPM NOW!
9/19/12, 04:37 PM
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