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Old 2/19/14, 12:20 AM
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Awesome dmhines!

But I assume that I will also have to go the exact same route as you to get this right? I need to purchase this?
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Wow dmhines, congrats!

AjTurbo, got me looking. Also look at the tach between 6-7k rpm. Looks like tape covering hash marks or old redline as well. Def at least a different face on that cluster.

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Originally Posted by jim010
Awesome dmhines!

But I assume that I will also have to go the exact same route as you to get this right? I need to purchase this?
Your Ford Tech can go it. Takes less than 10 minutes.
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Well done!

Now what do you guys wanna do about the cruise? (If anything)

Also, Dan, will you give the J2534 another go since you have V86 now?

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Originally Posted by zeroaviation
Well done!

Now what do you guys wanna do about the cruise? (If anything)

Also, Dan, will you give the J2534 another go since you have V86 now?
Zero .. did you get the 2011 PCM? Are you gonna see if it supports a 2013 Calibration? Theat may solve the last of the issue if that works.

IDS did download the calibration files for the ABS module so I see the naming convention. Perhaps IDS will do the same thing with a PCM calibration .. ask if VIN is correct and the we can download a 2013 calibration. My only concern is we need to keep the VIN number correct ... especially in GA where I have emissions testing.

I also need to trust the Clone VCM to program a PCM. Perhaps I will reload the correct 2012 calibration one of these days to see if the clone tool works 100%.

Also .. the VCM seems to click quite a bite while doing its stuff .. is it normal for the VCM to make noise?


Forgot about the J2534 .. I'll try that again and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by dmhines
Zero .. did you get the 2011 PCM? Are you gonna see if it supports a 2013 Calibration? That may solve the last of the issue if it works.

IDS did download the calibration files for the ABS module so I see the naming convention. Perhaps IDS will do the same thing with a PCM calibration .. ask if VIN is correct and the we can download a 2013 calibration. My only concern is we need to keep the VIN number correct ... especially in GA where I have emissions testing.

I also need to trust the Clone VCM to program a PCM. Perhaps I will reload the correct 2012 calibration one of these days to see if the clone tool works 100%.

Also .. the VCM seems to click quite a bite while doing its stuff .. is it normal for the VCM to make noise?


Forgot about the J2534 .. I'll try that again and see what happens.
Yes, I have the 2011 PCM. I have been tinkering with it for a while. An update will come soon.

After the PCM is flashed over to 13 cal, we can change the VIN back to your original in the VID. Thats non issue!

I think the clone VCM (from what i've read) will do ok flashing the PCM. If you do brick it, I can help you recover it with one of my tools.

It is common for a VCM (even the original) to click often.

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Cool .. if we can get the PCM flashed with a 2013 Calibration we will be golden!

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Old 2/19/14, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
Cool .. if we can get the PCM flashed with a 2013 Calibration we will be golden!
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Wow dmhines, congrats!

AjTurbo, got me looking. Also look at the tach between 6-7k rpm. Looks like tape covering hash marks or old redline as well. Def at least a different face on that cluster.
I think it is a real one. Look at the pictures on the web on a 2013GT500 cluster. They have a yellow/orange light between 6-7k rpm... That is what you might think is a tape. Looks pretty real. Let's see where the final $$ ends up. I would get it, but with a 2010 PCM it might be a complete no-go.

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OK, I guess I'm up next.

I will have to see if I can 'un-brick' my ABS module.
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And how will flashing the PCM to 2013/14 spec affect everything else in the car? Engine management, for example?
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Originally Posted by jim010
OK, I guess I'm up next.

I will have to see if I can 'un-brick' my ABS module.
I dont think your ABS module was ever bricked. Maybe misconfigured.

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And how will flashing the PCM to 2013/14 spec affect everything else in the car? Engine management, for example?
Won't be much different. There are some small changes for Emissions and block design. But we will take that into account.

Overall its very compatible.

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Originally Posted by jim010
OK, I guess I'm up next.

I will have to see if I can 'un-brick' my ABS module.
Just have your guy do a PMI on the 2013 ABS module with the VIN you used for your cluster install.
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With a 2013 calibration .. We will get 420HP Stock instead of 412HP ... LOL ...

I will need to revert back to stock before I mess around with any of that since I am running a custom tune for my 2012 Calibration.
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Originally Posted by ajpturbo
Looks like a knock off....Redline is too high and the font doesn't look right...And if it's like new is should be at least4-500 bucks...That's about an 800 dollar cluster with no core
It's legit.
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Originally Posted by dmhines
With a 2013 calibration .. We will get 420HP Stock instead of 412HP ... LOL ...

I will need to revert back to stock before I mess around with any of that since I am running a custom tune for my 2012 Calibration.

Your tune would be overwritten by default.

Once we go to 13 firmware, we would revert back to 12ish calibration. (With minor adjustments). I've already got a tune merged together I'll send you for your X3.

I'm waiting to hear back from @ajpturbo to see if he got his VCM.

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He got it. That is how I was able to get V86 from him last night ....

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Your tune would be overwritten by default.

Once we go to 13 firmware, we would revert back to 12ish calibration. (With minor adjustments). I've already got a tune merged together I'll send you for your X3.

I'm waiting to hear back from @ajpturbo to see if he got his VCM.

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Originally Posted by ajpturbo
Looks like a knock off....Redline is too high and the font doesn't look right...And if it's like new is should be at least4-500 bucks...That's about an 800 dollar cluster with no core
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Wow dmhines, congrats! AjTurbo, got me looking. Also look at the tach between 6-7k rpm. Looks like tape covering hash marks or old redline as well. Def at least a different face on that cluster.

The 13-14 GT500 redline shows at 6250 until the engine reaches operating temperature. The area that looks taped actually is illuminated red when you start the car. Once the operating temp is achieved the light disappears and the redline becomes 7,000 for the overrev feature on these cars.

Anyway. That's why it looks the way it does. Not tape.
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Originally Posted by 2k7gtcs
The 13-14 GT500 redline shows at 6250 until the engine reaches operating temperature. The area that looks taped actually is illuminated red when you start the car. Once the operating temp is achieved the light disappears and the redline becomes 7,000 for the overrev feature on these cars.

Anyway. That's why it looks the way it does. Not tape.
Cool! Might be nice to have a functional boost gauge for future SuperCharger install

EDIT: Just noticed the 2013 cluster does not have Boost Gauge like prior years.

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Cool! Might be nice to have a functional boost gauge for future SuperCharger install

EDIT: Just noticed the 2013 cluster does not have Boost Gauge like prior years.
It does not offer a boost gauge on the LCD? If not we could just change the firmware

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Oh I'm sure the LCD display can pull one up. It was a real gauge on all other years.


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