JWButler14

anyone have any ideas on where i can get my hands on one of these clusters? ive looked almost everywhere and cant find anything.

jim010

You'll just have to keep checking ebay or the website I gave in the nav thread. Or check your local wrecker. These don't seem to pop up often. They can be bought new from Toulsey Ford.

jim010

dmhines,

1ZVBP8CF9E5221171 - 2014 has brembo package - 056E

1ZVBP8CF0E5277838 - 2014 has GT Track Package - 85EE

Track Package has limited slip. I don't see limited slip listed for the 2014 Brembo cars I looked at.

So there you have it. That took a LONG time to figure out. And that was just ONE code!

Whether it has LCD or not makes no difference. Auto or manual, doesn't matter. Good for all years:

2011 - 2014
016A - regular
056E - Brembo equipped
85EE - Track Package equipped
066F - vert Brembo equipped
026B - vert regular
218A - Boss
0972 - Shelby
41AA - Boss LS

Seeing my tech guy tomorrow after work.

dmhines

Nice .. now the different codes make sense ...

Good luck with the tech.

garner

Must be misunderstanding you. Do you mean that the track pack has torsen limited slip whereas brembo has regular limited slip?

Overboost

Yes. The GT Track Pack comes with the Torsen, but the Brembo brake package does not. All models come with a limited slip differential.

jim010

Talked to my guy today. We discussed it. Shouldn't be any issue as the new ABS module is to have the same as built code as the old one. I have scheduled to take the car in next week. Should be a quick thing, but I'll be charged 1/2 hour for this.

jim010

Still working on it.

Will have news soon.

dmhines

For those following along ...

I put a used 2014 ABS module in my car. Track Apps is working 100% .. even Hill Start Assist is working. I do have some DTC's that I need to get resolved once I get it into the dealer and have the tech see what's going on.

ajpturbo

I don't know if this will help anyone or not but I'll throw it out there if it helps the cause and maybe someone else will be interested.


I have a 2014 GT manual trans with track pack, my car has the 4.2" lcd with track apps. I've bought a 13' Boss cluster with the LCD. It was the closest match to what I have as they don't make a boss in 14'.


It will take me a few weeks to get the car to the dealer but as I understand it, I need to have a PATS relearn and the as built data transferred.


I hate the retro font of the GT cluster.


I'm not sure about how the cluster interprets the speed signal. The speed increments are different so I don't know if I should do the as built data transfer or not


DMhines do you know about that?

Deerslayer

dmhines, that is awesome news!
I actually ended up buying the cluster from Matt. I am going to install it on a '13 Base with Brembo brakes.

Here is my plan:
Swap Steering wheel buttons & harness from '13GT wheel w/4way button
Get the current cluster ready to remove
Start the car, swap clusters to check functionality
If everything functional, swap cluster back, go to dealer for PATS/Key RELEARN w/new cluster
If everything working EXCEPT Track Apps, purchase new ABS Module, install
Test Again
Once everything is working, go to the dealer for PATS / Key RELEARN

My questons- Since my wheel harness is a '13, could I just replace my left side with the 4way button only? We did a Boss Wheel swap that was from a '12 boss and the controls were not plug and play, so we reinstalled the '13 controls and buttons in the boss wheel.
Is there anything else I should look for or do?

I have to say, this is one of the best threads on problem solving I have ever seen. You, Matt and Jim should be applauded.

dmhines

ajpturbo .. The Boss cluster should work fine after dealer does PATS and AS BUILT for you.

Deerslayer .. keep in mind Track Apps will not even show as an option until AFTER the PATS is done and the car is started with Cluster installed.

There is a good chance the Track Apps will work fine for you .. There is no difference between the base and premium ABS module as far as I know.

As far as button swap .. try swapping just the buttons first .. if that doesnt work then try harness and buttons.

You are the first person that will be doing an UPGRADE from a 13 Base to 13 Premium. The rest of us did a conversion from a 2012 Premium to the 2013 cluster so I would think your swap should be much less painful.

Deerslayer

dmhines, should I ONLY need the PATS relearn & Key relearn at the dealer? Any ASBUILT programming needed?

1- I will install the switch (after looking at the schematic, I SHOULD be fine with just the switch)
2- Start the car with the orig cluster
3- Swap the clusters while the car is running and check gauges
4- Temporarily switch clusters back, and head to the dealer (schedule appt)
5- Have dealer do PATS / Key RELEARN

Any comments?

I will piggyback on this thread to let anyone that wants info on what a '13 Base to '13 Premium Cluster Swap takes. Hopefully it is as simple as it sounds.

dmhines

I would recommend you use the cluster AS Built from a no option 2013 GT premium with the same transmission as your car. Have tech manually input the codes.

If zero's car matches that description then you would only need PATS relearn.

Deerslayer

You guys did an awesome job. I know I have thanked you, but I am sure I can speak for countless others too.....THANK YOU!
Though I will have everything this week, may me a month til we install it. My son has the car back at school. He doesn't have many weekends off between now and Spring Break.

COYOTEHP

I never thought my thread would be this big. Good job is def in order to all involved. ��

ajpturbo

Thanks hines.....I know my dealer is a bit confused, I can tell from when I talked to them about what I needed..


So when the tech enters the as built code or codes..Is there just one or can it be more than one?


I see the code for a track package is 85EE..From the codes above that's all that applies to me.


It makes me wonder a bit...It's like I'm making the boss cluster think it's a GT so I'm really wondering if the speed will be interpreted correctly..


The Wheels and tires for a GT and Boss basically have the same O.D. but normally a boss car will have a boss cluster..I'm afraid if I put GT as built data in the Boss cluster it won't interpret the speed correctly

dmhines

Ajp. 85ee is for the ABS module not the cluster.

The dealer needs just to a normal install on your cluster. He will copy as built from one to the other. What are you doing about the odometer? Is cluster used ?

ajpturbo

Hines, I bought it new from an online parts dealer. It's hard to get lol 3 of my local dealers wouldn't order it for me. They apparently come from a cluster company. I had to submit my mileage so it came with the correct mileage.


They all want to only order by vin...So I would only be able to get a replacement GT cluster which is what I have lol.


What about doing the PATS WITHOUT doing the as built?


I don't understand exactly what the as built data is. My concern is that the data in the as built may contain the info needed to interpret and display the speed and rpm.


And since the increments and spacing are different between the 2 clusters I'm not sure exactly what will happen.


I'm probably overthinking it but asking anyway.


Do you think any of the as built data contains anything that controls functionality of the cluster? Basically you would want the boss cluster to interpret the speed signal as it normally would not how a GT would....Since it's not a GT cluster...My brain is hurting now

dmhines

Since you have a brand new cluster and already have a premium car .. just have the dealer do a normal cluster install as per Ford doc. They will know what to do. It should be an hour labor.