Does anyone think Ford will step it up a bit??
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Hooah. And thank you too Sir. I agree that for a moment we need to stop and look at what we have and be thankful that we have it. Mustangs are meant to be loved and feared and respected. I have all of those emotions. Just be glad you can drive the car and a little less picky about what Ford doesn't do for us. Once again, no matter what, I'm going to own a Mustang because I'm loyal to them. Not because it's the hottest, baddest, fastest, strongest, most powerful or anything. But because of what they represent to me. That's why I like them in the first place. Their history as an ICON; not a motor, or suspension, or tranny or anything else. I know some of you on here share that with me. Go out and enjoy your car because you can and you want to. Don't fret about what it's missing.
Until we all get home, go out and have fun for all of us over here. Take a drive for America and her troops. Go US!
Until we all get home, go out and have fun for all of us over here. Take a drive for America and her troops. Go US!
Thanks for putting everything in context. And be safe.
Politics and preferences aside, your larger point is profound: life is all about perspective, and we should be thankful for what we have, as opposed to complain about what we don't, especially when there are those who currently don't have the luxury of doing either right now.
Thanks for putting everything in context. And be safe.
Thanks for putting everything in context. And be safe.
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Regardless of any fact or fiction or rumor or poll or survey, Ford is going release a refreshed Mustang in 2009. What they or anyone does with it is their perogative. All though I am impressed at the professionalism of this argument, as most on here get pretty silly pretty quick, I will be buying a Mustang for one reason and one reason alone.
It's a Mustang. That's it. That's the only reason I am buying it. I love Mustangs. Regardless of that they have or don't have or what's better or worse in comparison to this, that or the other things. It's never going to be the top dog, top-o-the-line car because it was never meant to be. I don't care about gas mileage or all the other things that Ford CAN and COULD and SHOULD and HAVEN'T done to the car. It's still a Mustang and as long as there is one to love, I will love it. Simple as that. I thought that is what us enthusiasts were here for? To love the car. Not bash it for what it's lacking. Save that for our competition.
Personally, I can't wait to leave this horrible country so I can get back to America and enjoy SEEING the car I so love. I think everyone over in the States now needs to take a few seconds and be thankful for what they have sitting in their driveways. Go out and take spin for me. It's going to be a while be for I can.
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It's a Mustang. That's it. That's the only reason I am buying it. I love Mustangs. Regardless of that they have or don't have or what's better or worse in comparison to this, that or the other things. It's never going to be the top dog, top-o-the-line car because it was never meant to be. I don't care about gas mileage or all the other things that Ford CAN and COULD and SHOULD and HAVEN'T done to the car. It's still a Mustang and as long as there is one to love, I will love it. Simple as that. I thought that is what us enthusiasts were here for? To love the car. Not bash it for what it's lacking. Save that for our competition.
Personally, I can't wait to leave this horrible country so I can get back to America and enjoy SEEING the car I so love. I think everyone over in the States now needs to take a few seconds and be thankful for what they have sitting in their driveways. Go out and take spin for me. It's going to be a while be for I can.
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I also couldn't agree more with everything you posted, in which I'm also a very loyal Mustang lover, and am personally fed up with all the Mustang bashing that's been taking place on these threads.
And like you, I also thought the purpose for these websites. Were to bring fellow Mustang enthusiasts together, and not bash the car for it's shortcomings. Although there's no denying that both the Challenger, and upcoming 2010 Camaro have IRS. Most seem to forget that if it weren't for the huge success of the current S-197, Dodge wouldn't had brought back the Challenger, nor would GM be bringing back the Camaro in the first place.
Just as you pointed out
That being said, I could also care less as to whether or not the Mustang upgrades to an IRS. Personally speaking, I think Ford did a very fine job with it's 3 link panhard SRA suspension, and haven't noticed any problems when cornering at spirited speeds.
Therefore, instead of bashing the Mustang for not being a top of the line, and perfect car. How about giving the Mustang credit, where credit's due.
I can also think of one other disadvantage, in having an IRS. For those who intend on lowering they're car's suspension, it's far more difficult in realigning the rear suspension with an IRS, than it is with an SRA.
Just my $.02
Last edited by m05fastbackGT; Aug 10, 2008 at 08:37 PM.
Hi Kory, first let me start out by saying. From one vet to another, your truly an inspiration for everything this country stands for, and as fellow Mustang enthusiasts. Were so very honored and proud that your a valued member of our Mustang brotherhood, here on TMS.
I also couldn't agree more with everything you posted, in which I'm also a very loyal Mustang lover, and am personally fed up with all the Mustang bashing that's been taking place on these threads.
And like you, I also thought the purpose for these websites. Were to bring fellow Mustang enthusiasts together, and not bash the car for it's shortcomings. Although there's no denying that both the Challenger, and upcoming 2010 Camaro have IRS. Most seem to forget that if it weren't for the huge success of the current S-197, Dodge wouldn't had brought back the Challenger, nor would GM be bringing back the Camaro in the first place.
Just as you pointed out
That being said, I could also care less as to whether or not the Mustang upgrades to an IRS. Personally speaking, I think Ford did a very fine job with it's 3 link panhard SRA suspension, and haven't noticed any problems when cornering at spirited speeds.
Therefore, instead of bashing the Mustang for not being a top of the line, and perfect car. How about giving the Mustang credit, where credit's due.
I can also think of one other disadvantage, in having an IRS. For those who intend on lowering they're car's suspension, it's far more difficult in realigning the rear suspension with an IRS, than it is with an SRA.
Just my $.02
I also couldn't agree more with everything you posted, in which I'm also a very loyal Mustang lover, and am personally fed up with all the Mustang bashing that's been taking place on these threads.
And like you, I also thought the purpose for these websites. Were to bring fellow Mustang enthusiasts together, and not bash the car for it's shortcomings. Although there's no denying that both the Challenger, and upcoming 2010 Camaro have IRS. Most seem to forget that if it weren't for the huge success of the current S-197, Dodge wouldn't had brought back the Challenger, nor would GM be bringing back the Camaro in the first place.
Just as you pointed out
That being said, I could also care less as to whether or not the Mustang upgrades to an IRS. Personally speaking, I think Ford did a very fine job with it's 3 link panhard SRA suspension, and haven't noticed any problems when cornering at spirited speeds.
Therefore, instead of bashing the Mustang for not being a top of the line, and perfect car. How about giving the Mustang credit, where credit's due.
I can also think of one other disadvantage, in having an IRS. For those who intend on lowering they're car's suspension, it's far more difficult in realigning the rear suspension with an IRS, than it is with an SRA.
Just my $.02
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I'm glad a lot of you guys share my same views.
And Icehawk, I couldn't have said it better myself. Sometimes we do just need to appreciate things for the way they are. Thanks for serving man, we appreciate it
And Icehawk, I couldn't have said it better myself. Sometimes we do just need to appreciate things for the way they are. Thanks for serving man, we appreciate it
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our live axel is the best thing for the money off the line
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Regardless of any fact or fiction or rumor or poll or survey, Ford is going release a refreshed Mustang in 2009. What they or anyone does with it is their perogative. All though I am impressed at the professionalism of this argument, as most on here get pretty silly pretty quick, I will be buying a Mustang for one reason and one reason alone.
It's a Mustang. That's it. That's the only reason I am buying it. I love Mustangs. Regardless of that they have or don't have or what's better or worse in comparison to this, that or the other things. It's never going to be the top dog, top-o-the-line car because it was never meant to be. I don't care about gas mileage or all the other things that Ford CAN and COULD and SHOULD and HAVEN'T done to the car. It's still a Mustang and as long as there is one to love, I will love it. Simple as that. I thought that is what us enthusiasts were here for? To love the car. Not bash it for what it's lacking. Save that for our competition.
Personally, I can't wait to leave this horrible country so I can get back to America and enjoy SEEING the car I so love. I think everyone over in the States now needs to take a few seconds and be thankful for what they have sitting in their driveways. Go out and take spin for me. It's going to be a while be for I can.
Stangs & Stars 4E
It's a Mustang. That's it. That's the only reason I am buying it. I love Mustangs. Regardless of that they have or don't have or what's better or worse in comparison to this, that or the other things. It's never going to be the top dog, top-o-the-line car because it was never meant to be. I don't care about gas mileage or all the other things that Ford CAN and COULD and SHOULD and HAVEN'T done to the car. It's still a Mustang and as long as there is one to love, I will love it. Simple as that. I thought that is what us enthusiasts were here for? To love the car. Not bash it for what it's lacking. Save that for our competition.
Personally, I can't wait to leave this horrible country so I can get back to America and enjoy SEEING the car I so love. I think everyone over in the States now needs to take a few seconds and be thankful for what they have sitting in their driveways. Go out and take spin for me. It's going to be a while be for I can.
Stangs & Stars 4E
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IRS is better in every way. And the Mustang could have it for very little - if any - more money that what we're paying now. End of discussion.
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The S197 is designed for IRS and I'd love to see what they could do with a modern chassis. The control blade IRS setup would be a winner in my book.
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You would think that the vehicle would be much faster based on its curb weight (About 200 pounds lighter) and (HP 306 crank)
They only come in V6 form and they are pretty much tapped out in the NA department.
From what I know is that the SRA(in addition to the lighter weight and simple construction), is that it is still the best choice to enable a solid hookup when launching under power (essentially, the first part of a drag race).
The camber is not affected under weight transfer, so when you launch, the tires will remain in optimal contact with the pavement. When you launch with IRS, the squat to the rear will cause slight camber gain in the tires (because that is what they are designed to do when leaning in a corner).
So you give up a small measure of "hookup" with the typical IRS configuration, in order to gain better road contact in cornering.
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You know, we can all continue to re-hash the IRS vs. SRA debate, until the cows come home. However nothing is going to change the fact, that we're not going to get an IRS in the Mustang, until at least 2014, or whenever the Mustang debuts on the all new GRWD platform.
So in the meantime, there's 4 options.
1. Continue to enjoy the current S-197, until the new platform arrives
2. Upgrade to LCA relocation brackets, thus reducing wheel hop
3. Swap out the SRA, in favor of an aftermarket IRS
4. Jump ship over to the competition (Camaro) (Challenger) (350Z) ect.
So in the meantime, there's 4 options.
1. Continue to enjoy the current S-197, until the new platform arrives
2. Upgrade to LCA relocation brackets, thus reducing wheel hop
3. Swap out the SRA, in favor of an aftermarket IRS
4. Jump ship over to the competition (Camaro) (Challenger) (350Z) ect.
Last edited by m05fastbackGT; Aug 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM.
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A base 350Z is 2k more that than a base GT, The 07+ 350 are the only ones that will keep up.
You would think that the vehicle would be much faster based on its curb weight (About 200 pounds lighter) and (HP 306 crank)
They only come in V6 form and they are pretty much tapped out in the NA department.
From what I know is that the SRA(in addition to the lighter weight and simple construction), is that it is still the best choice to enable a solid hookup when launching under power (essentially, the first part of a drag race).
The camber is not affected under weight transfer, so when you launch, the tires will remain in optimal contact with the pavement. When you launch with IRS, the squat to the rear will cause slight camber gain in the tires (because that is what they are designed to do when leaning in a corner).
So you give up a small measure of "hookup" with the typical IRS configuration, in order to gain better road contact in cornering.
You would think that the vehicle would be much faster based on its curb weight (About 200 pounds lighter) and (HP 306 crank)
They only come in V6 form and they are pretty much tapped out in the NA department.
From what I know is that the SRA(in addition to the lighter weight and simple construction), is that it is still the best choice to enable a solid hookup when launching under power (essentially, the first part of a drag race).
The camber is not affected under weight transfer, so when you launch, the tires will remain in optimal contact with the pavement. When you launch with IRS, the squat to the rear will cause slight camber gain in the tires (because that is what they are designed to do when leaning in a corner).
So you give up a small measure of "hookup" with the typical IRS configuration, in order to gain better road contact in cornering.
An IRS rear can hold good power and be reliable. GM puts it's 100,000 powertrain warranty on the ZR1, so they must have confidence in it's capability.
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You know, we can all continue to re-hash the IRS vs. SRA debate, until the cows come home. However nothing is going to change the fact, that we're not going to get an IRS in the Mustang, until at least 2014, or whenever the Mustang debuts on the all new GRWD platform.
So in the meantime, there's 4 options.
1. Continue to enjoy the current S-197, until the new platform arrives
2. Upgrade to LCA relocation brackets, thus reducing wheel hop
3. Swap out the SRA, in favor of an aftermarket IRS
4. Jump ship over to the competition (Camaro) (Challenger) (350Z) ect.
So in the meantime, there's 4 options.
1. Continue to enjoy the current S-197, until the new platform arrives
2. Upgrade to LCA relocation brackets, thus reducing wheel hop
3. Swap out the SRA, in favor of an aftermarket IRS
4. Jump ship over to the competition (Camaro) (Challenger) (350Z) ect.
I'll take the number 1 please!
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