2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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that's funny, I don't see any specs released on the 2010 mustang yet? So how could you come to such a definitive conclusion?

Once again, I couldn't agree with you more Shawn. In the meantime, thanks again.








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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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Just as Shawn stated, we currently do not have specs released for the 2010 Mustang yet. So how can anybody come to any conclusion, as to what the 2010 will weigh.
Look at the curb weight of the Bullitt and add 50 or so lbs. That should give you a good estimate of what the refreshed Stang weighs.
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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I do however agree, that until the Mustang gets the 400HP 5.0L 4v in 2011MY. There's no denying the fact, the current 09 Stang, will be outperformed by the Camaro SS.

As for the 2010 Mustang, that all depends on whether or not the current 4.6 3v gets a bump in HP, and then determines by how much it may get !
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
Look at the curb weight of the Bullitt and add 50 or so lbs. That should give you a good estimate of what the refreshed Stang weighs.
Never the less, until Ford officially confirms the 2010 specs. All we're really accomplishing here, is nothing more than just speculating.

So why not just wait until Ford provides the official specs, before drawing any conclusions.

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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Never the less, until Ford officially confirms the 2010 specs. All we're really accomplishing here, is nothing more than just speculating.

So why not just wait until Ford provides the official specs, before drawing any conclusions.
Yep, just like speculating that the 5.0L will have 400hp I want to see all the specs too!
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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Yep, just like speculating that the 5.0L will have 400hp I want to see all the specs too!
I'm with you there Jason, as we all want to see those 5.0L 400HP specs.
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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Yep, just like speculating that the 5.0L will have 400hp I want to see all the specs too!
Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
I'm with you there Jason, as we all want to see those 5.0L 400HP specs.
Same here. Let's wait and see the real specs.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
IIRC, the upcoming Camaro SS, won't be much smaller than the Challenger. As the 2010 SS, will weigh in at 3930 LBS.

In addition, the SS will weigh only 210 LBS lighter than the Challenger.

But most of all, we already know the Camaro SS, will be far more expensive than the 2010 Mustang. As Bob Lutz has already confirmed, that Camaro will be marketed exclusively as an upscale/premium coupe.

That being said, it does seem to appear as though the Camaro SS, will also face similar problems competing with the 2010 Mustang, due to it's large size as well !
Worth remembering, 3,860lb is what GM claims that the Camaro V8 weighs in base trim. Almost no manufacturer builds a car which actually weighs what they claim it does and the Camaro will almost certainly weigh more than that out in the real world when it is run across the scales. This is important because the Mustang weight numbers the Camaro is being compared to are often real world numbers and not the numbers claimed by Ford which would give a more accurate idea of the difference between the two vehicles.

Ford's claimed weight for the current Mustang GT in base, manual tranny trim is 3,450lb. Most insiders are currently claiming that the 2011 Mustang GT will likely gain a little weight overall relative to the existing model despite a weight savings program. This weight gain will be due to the addition of the DOHC engine and six speed manual tranny. Even so, insiders have indicated that we shoudle xpect a minor increase which leads me to believe the weight difference between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT will still be over 3500lb.

Also worth mentioning, this weight gain doesn't really apply to the 2010 which wont be using the DOHC V8 or the six speed manual that will cause the 2011 models weight to increase. That means that the 2010 couled potentially be even lighter than the current model is, and this applies to the 2010 V6 model as well. And of course, the 2011 V6 model should easily come in lighter than the current model since it will move to either the 3.5L or 3.0L V6 engine which is much lighter than the existing 4.0L.

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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jsaylor

Ford's claimed weight for the current Mustang GT in base, manual tranny trim is 3,450lb. Most insiders are currently claiming that the 2011 Mustang GT will likely gain a little weight overall relative to the existing model despite a weight savings program. This weight gain will be due to the addition of the DOHC engine and six speed manual tranny. Even so, insiders have indicated that we shoudle xpect a minor increase which leads me to believe the weight difference between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT will still be over 3500lb.
The Mustang bumped a bit of weight mid-cycle. If I remember correctly, it was 2007 that this happened and it was due to improvements made to the chassis (stiffening). I know my Mustang is slighly over 3,450 using corner weighting scales. The new Bullitt is 3,531 lbs per the reviews that I've read.

I wouldn't doubt that the 11' GT manual comes close to 3,600.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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It'll be the 3.5 or 3.7
The 3.0 is dead, as well as the 4.0

the weight difference between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT will still be over 3500lb.
And you mean 350lbs right?
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
The Mustang bumped a bit of weight mid-cycle. If I remember correctly, it was 2007 that this happened and it was due to improvements made to the chassis (stiffening). I know my Mustang is slighly over 3,450 using corner weighting scales. The new Bullitt is 3,531 lbs per the reviews that I've read.

I wouldn't doubt that the 11' GT manual comes close to 3,600.
2008 GT California special. 5 speed manual with ambient lighting, HID headlights, active anti-theft, comfort group which includes heated seats and passenger power seat and shaker 1000. Shipping weight on invoice: 3353 lbs.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
The Mustang bumped a bit of weight mid-cycle. If I remember correctly, it was 2007 that this happened and it was due to improvements made to the chassis (stiffening). I know my Mustang is slighly over 3,450 using corner weighting scales. The new Bullitt is 3,531 lbs per the reviews that I've read.

I wouldn't doubt that the 11' GT manual comes close to 3,600.
The Mustang did pick up 50-70lb in the 2007 GT500 chassis update which would put the car right at/just over 3500lb for 2007-2008 models. Assuming the car actually picks up another 50lb or so were closer to 300lb than the 350lb I mentioned above, but the truth is that 300lb is still a lot of weight. That said our weight expectations for the 2011GT are pretty similar, I expect the car to weigh in at a real world 3500lb and change in base trim not quite hitting 3600lb but probably getting close to it. And I expect a real world Camaro SS to cross the scales at 3,900lb minimum even with the manual tranny.

So I can go with 300lb....but I still think were probably talking minimum weight difference here.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
It'll be the 3.5 or 3.7
The 3.0 is dead, as well as the 4.0
Hadn't heard that 3.0L PIP was dead yet, but I wont shed any tears since that means we can expect 3.5L V6 engines or GTDi fours in any slot the revised 3.0L would have held which is a good thing.

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And you mean 350lbs right?
I was trying to be an optimist.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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2008 GT California special. 5 speed manual with ambient lighting, HID headlights, active anti-theft, comfort group which includes heated seats and passenger power seat and shaker 1000. Shipping weight on invoice: 3353 lbs.
well there is some proof right there! thanks for sharing
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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well there is some proof right there! thanks for sharing
Your welcome. I'm sure this number is with very minimal gas, washer fluid and the like, but it still is more proof than what I have seen here.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jsaylor
Worth remembering, 3,860lb is what GM claims that the Camaro V8 weighs in base trim. Almost no manufacturer builds a car which actually weighs what they claim it does and the Camaro will almost certainly weigh more than that out in the real world when it is run across the scales. This is important because the Mustang weight numbers the Camaro is being compared to are often real world numbers and not the numbers claimed by Ford which would give a more accurate idea of the difference between the two vehicles.

Ford's claimed weight for the current Mustang GT in base, manual tranny trim is 3,450lb. Most insiders are currently claiming that the 2011 Mustang GT will likely gain a little weight overall relative to the existing model despite a weight savings program. This weight gain will be due to the addition of the DOHC engine and six speed manual tranny. Even so, insiders have indicated that we shoudle xpect a minor increase which leads me to believe the weight difference between the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT will still be over 3500lb.

Also worth mentioning, this weight gain doesn't really apply to the 2010 which wont be using the DOHC V8 or the six speed manual that will cause the 2011 models weight to increase. That means that the 2010 couled potentially be even lighter than the current model is, and this applies to the 2010 V6 model as well. And of course, the 2011 V6 model should easily come in lighter than the current model since it will move to either the 3.5L or 3.0L V6 engine which is much lighter than the existing 4.0L.
What exactly does a current stock 05-09 Mustang GT weigh ? Does it weigh 3,353 lbs. 3,450 lbs. or 3,500 lbs.

So just how do I go about finding what my car actually weighs, for I can't seem to locate it anywhere on my door tags
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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It'll depend on whether its an 05-06 or 07-09
Bracing/Strengthening was added in 07 to all model mustangs
Carried 50-70lb weight penalty
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
What exactly does a current stock 05-09 Mustang GT weigh ? Does it weigh 3,353 lbs. 3,450 lbs. or 3,500 lbs.

So just how do I go about finding what my car actually weighs, for I can't seem to locate it anywhere on my door tags
My figures came straight off from an invoice. Maybe you can get it off from an OASIS report too? You can request it from your dealer or I can get it too.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
What exactly does a current stock 05-09 Mustang GT weigh ? Does it weigh 3,353 lbs. 3,450 lbs. or 3,500 lbs.

So just how do I go about finding what my car actually weighs, for I can't seem to locate it anywhere on my door tags
I would like to know this also.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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Maybe you can hit up a truck stop or a public scale in you area and for a small fee they can hook you up. Then you can get you TRUE ride around weight.
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