Those of you who dislike/hate the 2015
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When there is no logic there must be feelings involved. The auto industry has always worked in two different timing realms, 'model year' and 'calendar year.' Calendar year is what the world normally runs on. The first Mustang was, in fact, a 1965 model year car but it was introduced early in the calendar year (April instead of the traditional September). I am not sure exactly who started to call it a 1964 or 1964.5 car but the original Mustang was not officially given that model year designation; it was a 1965.
So the "1964-1/2" Mustang is branded as such by non-official sources such as historians, enthusiasts, and owners trying to identify the early build cars. Over the years it was referenced to this so much that it has become engrained that this was so. Tell yourself the same thing enough for a number of years and eventually it sticks as fact.
To illustrate this in more modern circles the new 2015 Focus was finally released for sale in February 2015 which is late to the traditional model year introduction. This is not officially a 2015-1/2 model. If it were something more significant I can see people referring to it as such but officially that is not what it is.
There, logic explained.
So the "1964-1/2" Mustang is branded as such by non-official sources such as historians, enthusiasts, and owners trying to identify the early build cars. Over the years it was referenced to this so much that it has become engrained that this was so. Tell yourself the same thing enough for a number of years and eventually it sticks as fact.
To illustrate this in more modern circles the new 2015 Focus was finally released for sale in February 2015 which is late to the traditional model year introduction. This is not officially a 2015-1/2 model. If it were something more significant I can see people referring to it as such but officially that is not what it is.
There, logic explained.
I agree with your logic, but how do you explain the 2004's with 40th anniversary badging?
2004 & 2009 as "Anniversary" models is a marketing tool to sell the remaining MY cars before the new model comes out. (Also because those models were still in production in the spring of that year)
2015 as an "Anniversary" model built in the spring of 2014 is more accurate in terms of the original MY car built in the spring of 1964.
2015 as an "Anniversary" model built in the spring of 2014 is more accurate in terms of the original MY car built in the spring of 1964.
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I just wanted to make sure we're both on the same page is all Rob.. But I totally agree as sales numbers do indeed count only in the real world, and like you said the new Mustang is now being sold globally and not just in North America anymore..
As for the people I mostly interact with on a daily basis, it's pretty much a 60/40 split in favor of the new body style, however on the other hand, those 60% still prefer the look of the S197 and SN-95 over the S550 and I believe you know exactly where I stand on this as well
And yes, I also agree with you about these forums not being the right place for taking your measures of the new S550 Mustang as most people on here who own them are still heavily influenced by their placebo affects as a direct result lol.
As for the people I mostly interact with on a daily basis, it's pretty much a 60/40 split in favor of the new body style, however on the other hand, those 60% still prefer the look of the S197 and SN-95 over the S550 and I believe you know exactly where I stand on this as well
And yes, I also agree with you about these forums not being the right place for taking your measures of the new S550 Mustang as most people on here who own them are still heavily influenced by their placebo affects as a direct result lol.
Ha ha ha. You think people don't like the S550 because us S197 owners don't have the latest and greatest. That's funny stuff. The latest and greatest lasts about 20 minutes because there is always something later and greater. People don't like the S550 because they find the car unattractive and that rear end is freaking hideous. Lol
Actually, this was directed at peeps like ^you, who consistently hate on the newest because you just can't accept that it's 10x's better inside AND because they turning the V6 into the pud motor.
Careful, you'll get another month in forum asylum. 
Seriously though, you guys must admit, the people who are hating on the car are indeed S197 owners. Sure, there are some outlyers who are driving previous body styles, but the core numbers are S197 owners.
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Actually, this was directed at peeps like ^you, who consistently hate on the newest because you just can't accept that it's 10x's better inside AND because they turning the V6 into the pud motor.
Careful, you'll get another month in forum asylum. Seriously though, you guys must admit, the people who are hating on the car are indeed S197 owners. Sure, there are some outlyers who are driving previous body styles, but the core numbers are S197 owners.
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Here is a quick question...was the love/hate opinions flowing this strong when the 2005 came out? I was proccupied with other things back then but I was just wondering. I think the change from 2004-2005 may be just as much of a change as 2014-2015.
For the record I like the 2015 and have one on order. However, I also adore the 2010-2014 as well. I personally think it may be the 'change' that is gripping people. The Mustang evokes many emotions, especially the custom stuff one can add to make one 'yours.' Then the design changes? All the hard work spent by the community to make the other one look gorgeous is now just a little out of proportion.
For the record I like the 2015 and have one on order. However, I also adore the 2010-2014 as well. I personally think it may be the 'change' that is gripping people. The Mustang evokes many emotions, especially the custom stuff one can add to make one 'yours.' Then the design changes? All the hard work spent by the community to make the other one look gorgeous is now just a little out of proportion.
I still like 74-78's by the way. I'm just speaking in terms of new body style release dissapontment.I like the S550's for the all-around improvement. I think they look more modern and yet still have all the typical Mustang queue's needed. I'm really happy about the interior improvement. The IRS is great, and an improvement, but Ford has done a great job with the SRA. I think the IRS was more of an improvement needed for global sales. The S197 Boss 302 does great around the track, so there's documented proof there. I'm excited for what's to come going forward for the S550. Hopefully a Mach 1
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Who cares. What do you care who is "hating" on the the S550 or why? I was in the market for an S550 until I saw the front end and then I bought a 2014 instead. I bought an S197 because the front of the S550 is just plain ugly to me. I couldn't care less who thinks I'm a hater for that or if you don't agree with it or what you feel about it. It's ugly, no money, period.
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When there is no logic there must be feelings involved. The auto industry has always worked in two different timing realms, 'model year' and 'calendar year.' Calendar year is what the world normally runs on. The first Mustang was, in fact, a 1965 model year car but it was introduced early in the calendar year (April instead of the traditional September). I am not sure exactly who started to call it a 1964 or 1964.5 car but the original Mustang was not officially given that model year designation; it was a 1965. So the "1964-1/2" Mustang is branded as such by non-official sources such as historians, enthusiasts, and owners trying to identify the early build cars. Over the years it was referenced to this so much that it has become engrained that this was so. Tell yourself the same thing enough for a number of years and eventually it sticks as fact. To illustrate this in more modern circles the new 2015 Focus was finally released for sale in February 2015 which is late to the traditional model year introduction. This is not officially a 2015-1/2 model. If it were something more significant I can see people referring to it as such but officially that is not what it is. There, logic explained.
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Based on your post responding to me, you are not who I was directing my post to. Like you, I love the S550, but I also like the S197's. I chose my mustang because of the rarity, the DOHC 4.6L, and I dig the new edge body style curves. My next Mustang was going to be a 2012 Boss 302 or a 2010 GT500, but now that the S550 is out and I've driven one, I'm not sure what I'll go with next.
Actually, this was directed at peeps like ^you, who consistently hate on the newest because you just can't accept that it's 10x's better inside AND because they turning the V6 into the pud motor.
Careful, you'll get another month in forum asylum. Seriously though, you guys must admit, the people who are hating on the car are indeed S197 owners. Sure, there are some outlyers who are driving previous body styles, but the core numbers are S197 owners.
Me not caring for the S550 has nothing to do with me owning a S197. It has everything to do with its design and body lines. Its just unattractive and too sports car like for what I want in a mustang. I don't care that it handles better than the S197. My S197 handles just fine for the way I operate it and couldn't care about a nicer interior.
If i wanted a more luxurious interior I would of bought a BMW or Audi.
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When there is no logic there must be feelings involved. The auto industry has always worked in two different timing realms, 'model year' and 'calendar year.' Calendar year is what the world normally runs on. The first Mustang was, in fact, a 1965 model year car but it was introduced early in the calendar year (April instead of the traditional September). I am not sure exactly who started to call it a 1964 or 1964.5 car but the original Mustang was not officially given that model year designation; it was a 1965.
So the "1964-1/2" Mustang is branded as such by non-official sources such as historians, enthusiasts, and owners trying to identify the early build cars. Over the years it was referenced to this so much that it has become engrained that this was so. Tell yourself the same thing enough for a number of years and eventually it sticks as fact.
To illustrate this in more modern circles the new 2015 Focus was finally released for sale in February 2015 which is late to the traditional model year introduction. This is not officially a 2015-1/2 model. If it were something more significant I can see people referring to it as such but officially that is not what it is.
There, logic explained.
So the "1964-1/2" Mustang is branded as such by non-official sources such as historians, enthusiasts, and owners trying to identify the early build cars. Over the years it was referenced to this so much that it has become engrained that this was so. Tell yourself the same thing enough for a number of years and eventually it sticks as fact.
To illustrate this in more modern circles the new 2015 Focus was finally released for sale in February 2015 which is late to the traditional model year introduction. This is not officially a 2015-1/2 model. If it were something more significant I can see people referring to it as such but officially that is not what it is.
There, logic explained.
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2004 & 2009 as "Anniversary" models is a marketing tool to sell the remaining MY cars before the new model comes out. (Also because those models were still in production in the spring of that year)
2015 as an "Anniversary" model built in the spring of 2014 is more accurate in terms of the original MY car built in the spring of 1964.
2015 as an "Anniversary" model built in the spring of 2014 is more accurate in terms of the original MY car built in the spring of 1964.
But technically speaking, the 2005 & 2010 should had been the actual anniversary models according to the original launch of the first 1965 Mustang during the 65 model year in April of 1964
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Based on your post responding to me, you are not who I was directing my post to. Like you, I love the S550, but I also like the S197's. I chose my mustang because of the rarity, the DOHC 4.6L, and I dig the new edge body style curves. My next Mustang was going to be a 2012 Boss 302 or a 2010 GT500, but now that the S550 is out and I've driven one, I'm not sure what I'll go with next.
At any rate, I just wanted to point out that not all S197 owners including myself are in the least bit jealous over the new 2015 models as in not having the latest and greatest anymore as you posted.. And just so you know, there have been just as many fans/owners of the new S550 whom have trashed S197 owners with their negative remarks in which I've already mentioned in this thread..Therefore it works both ways and not just one sided like some of those claim to be..
Also just to clear things up, yes I do like the new S550 Mustang, however I prefer the look of the S197 because to me, I always wanted a Mustang that reminded me of the classic 1st generation 65-70 models I grew up admiring as a kid back in the mid 1960-early 1970's..
And when I saw the 2005 being introduced for the first time back in 2004, I was so blown away how it's design re-captured the spirit of those 1st generation Mustangs in every way and I knew from that very moment the S197 was going to be the closest to those first generation 65-70 cars as it was ever going to get.. So needless to say, the S197 was the Mustang I had been waiting for that I always wanted and have been more than happy with ever since..
Perhaps one day I may add a S550 to my stable, but I'll guarantee you that I won't part with my S197 GT just in order to have one either and you want to know why ??? Because I don't care about not having the latest and the greatest, that's why
So perhaps you should ask yourself that question before you go accusing others of being haters..
Like I said, it works both ways !!!!
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Don't sweat that guy Rock. Who cares what he thinks. Some people don't like the S550. So what. Some people do like it. So what. Splitting hairs over the why and why not is just someone trolling for an argument.
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I do remember a lot of love went toward the 2005's when they came out. I think it was mainly due to the retro look, BUT the interior looked much nicer and more roomy. I've heard some say they feel the 3v's were kinda dull, but I disagree. There wasn't competition again until, what..like 2008? I saw the S197 as a huge improvement myself. Aside from the 74-78's, I only remember being disappointed at a new body style release once - the SN95 (94-98). After they were out for a few years, I warmed up. I think the new edge's facelift really did it for me. The front bumpers and the tails. I still like 74-78's by the way. I'm just speaking in terms of new body style release dissapontment.
I like the S550's for the all-around improvement. I think they look more modern and yet still have all the typical Mustang queue's needed. I'm really happy about the interior improvement. The IRS is great, and an improvement, but Ford has done a great job with the SRA. I think the IRS was more of an improvement needed for global sales. The S197 Boss 302 does great around the track, so there's documented proof there. I'm excited for what's to come going forward for the S550. Hopefully a Mach 1
I still like 74-78's by the way. I'm just speaking in terms of new body style release dissapontment.I like the S550's for the all-around improvement. I think they look more modern and yet still have all the typical Mustang queue's needed. I'm really happy about the interior improvement. The IRS is great, and an improvement, but Ford has done a great job with the SRA. I think the IRS was more of an improvement needed for global sales. The S197 Boss 302 does great around the track, so there's documented proof there. I'm excited for what's to come going forward for the S550. Hopefully a Mach 1
It really depends on whether you have the interior upgrade package/premium package or base model package..
IIRC unless you happen to order the premium with interior upgrade package ? Even the base 2015 models still have hard plastic materials just as the base S197 models had..
If the 2005 Mustang had been in production in the spring of 2004 instead of the fall, it would have been the "anniversary" model.
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And I was pointing out to him, there have been just as many S550 owners/fanboys who've been hating on the S197 with their negative remarks just as much as those who don't like the S550..
Like I said in this thread before, all these negative attacks have been getting really old in the tooth and don't accomplish anything whatsoever..
But now it's getting to the point where certain people have crossed the line and this just happens to be another fine example of someone buying into the placebo affect towards the S550 as their excuse for trolling an argument
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Oh trust me Rob, I'm not sweating a thing lol. As I was not only defending myself, but also fellow S197 owners as well..
And I was pointing out to him, there have been just as many S550 owners/fanboys who've been hating on the S197 with their negative remarks just as much as those who don't like the S550..
Like I said in this thread before, all these negative attacks have been getting really old in the tooth and don't accomplish anything whatsoever..
But now it's getting to the point where certain people have crossed the line and this just happens to be another fine example of someone buying into the placebo affect towards the S550 as their excuse for trolling an argument
And I was pointing out to him, there have been just as many S550 owners/fanboys who've been hating on the S197 with their negative remarks just as much as those who don't like the S550..
Like I said in this thread before, all these negative attacks have been getting really old in the tooth and don't accomplish anything whatsoever..
But now it's getting to the point where certain people have crossed the line and this just happens to be another fine example of someone buying into the placebo affect towards the S550 as their excuse for trolling an argument
Internet forums are full of people that want to argue about stupid crap. You think this is bad? Try a Jeep JK forum. Some of the most obnoxious and argumentative people you'll ever interact with in your life.
The reality is that there is only so much you can say about a Mustang. How many times can we all declare our like of the car before that gets old? I know, lets have another thread about cold air kits and tuners. lol
We both know that the majority of Mustang owners are never going to invest multiple thousands of dollars into modifying their suspension or engine, etc etc. So how many times can a Mustang owner get on here and say "I got a great stock Mustang!"
"Awesome, have you done anything to it?"
"Nope."
Awkward silence to follow. There's just not that much to talk about with these cars when you get right down to it. We come to the forum because we all like Mustangs but idle hands are the devils workshop. You get enough guys with nothing to say on the same forum and sooner or later there's going to be an argument. In this case there's an argument about who likes the S550 and why vs who dislikes the S550 and why. Who cares. It's not worth arguing about.
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