Those of you who dislike/hate the 2015
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Please don't tell me that you don't think the Forty-Nine design isn't, or cannot be made to be a fuel efficient design without losing it's attractive design.
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Crash structure and rigidity are determined by internal components unaffected the exact shape of the the outside panels. As long as it retains the structure of the DEW98 platform, it's all possible. In this case, the two seat T-Bird was build on the same chassis as the Jaguar/Lincoln LS, so there is flexibility in design around the structure. Ugly or pretty is determined with the designer's pen. It doesn't cost any more to stamp out an ugly or a pretty body panel.
Please don't tell me that you don't think the Forty-Nine design isn't, or cannot be made to be a fuel efficient design without losing it's attractive design.
Please don't tell me that you don't think the Forty-Nine design isn't, or cannot be made to be a fuel efficient design without losing it's attractive design.
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As has been pointed out the skin is on the DEW cars platform so crash test worthiness should also be no problem. Rubber bumper covers hide the actual bumpers on the Forty Nine and all production cars for quite a number of years now to the point that they flow with the body lines much better than say '80-82 'Birds.
The glass back is an option on 'Stangs, possibly because of what they learned on this car, but it wouldn't need to be produced with it as standard equipment.
I would guess it could be produced as a ltd. production run in the $35-45k range and since the originals were popular hot rods throw a new 302 in it and watch out.
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The car used the engine from the 'Bird so fuel mileage would be a non-issue. As has been pointed out the skin is on the DEW cars platform so crash test worthiness should also be no problem. Rubber bumper covers hide the actual bumpers on the Forty Nine and all production cars for quite a number of years now to the point that they flow with the body lines much better than say '80-82 'Birds. The glass back is an option on 'Stangs, possibly because of what they learned on this car, but it wouldn't need to be produced with it as standard equipment. I would guess it could be produced as a ltd. production run in the $35-45k range and since the originals were popular hot rods throw a new 302 in it and watch out.
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Two current sources, two different dates:
"Starting in mid-April and running through the late 1990 model year, Ford placed 25th anniversary, tri-bar pony badges on the passenger side dash of all LX and GT Mustangs."
"Ford's only gesture at a 25th Anniversary Mustang was small indeed: a passenger-side dashboard emblem with galloping-horse logo affixed to all models built between March 27, 1989, and the end of model-year 1990."
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/c...54&carID=13111
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/c...90&carID=13111
http://www.hagerty.com/price-guide/1990-Ford-Mustang
..."the Emerald Green paint was drying on two of the new convertibles at the Dearborn assembly plant. It was December of 1989." and "Ford took the chloroformed 7-Up marketing effort and spun it into a sales stimulator of its own as the '90 Limited Edition Mustang convertible. Though Ford never really called this car a 25th Anniversary model, for better or worse, that's what it was. And that's the way enthusiasts treat this car today."
Ford, in dealer letters/info, did refer to it as the 25th Anniv. car.
This from here and keep in mind this a GT Registry but at least it's from 2001, post #14: http://www.mustanggt.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40988
"As for the running horse emblems on the dash... there isn't a clear cut-off date based on the door tag build date or VIN, either. It does appear *for the most part* that the dash emblems started being placed on the cars around mid-April '89. That being said, there are quite a few GT's in our database with April AND May '89 door tag build dates that *do not* have a 25th anniversary dash emblem. However, there were also six GT's with a *March '89* build date and a handful before March even that *DO* have the emblem on the dash. Again, keep in mind our comments from above about the build dates and VIN's."
There's no mention on how many of those GT's were original owner cars or not, but the fact that some did and some didn't before and after April plays into what I recall about Ford sending out dash emblems to cars produced without them.
When Ford went and decided to badge all cars 25th's it really screwed things up.
A big thing to keep in mind is that the '89 Probe was supposed to replace the 'Stang up until there was a big letter writing campaign against that move. So Ford in all reality never planned on an '89 let alone an anniv. car. Once that changed, plus starting the Probe up a real 25th got lost, forgot, didn't have the budget for or fill in the blank excuse. They had what was supposed to be a special edition car(honestly I don't recall the 7-Up promo) that they decided to make the 25th that is now said to not be THE official 25th.
I've always considered it to be the 25th because of my time in the dealership at that time and my recollection of what happened. Hind site being what it is I wish I would have thought to keep any doc's to support things. It was the '80's and there were more questions/doubt as to whether that generation would have ANY collectibilty down the road. The GT had out been back ~8yrs at that point and most people that I knew didn't consider it on the same level as the original at that time.
Out of curiosity I would like to see production/ship dates for the drop tops.
"Starting in mid-April and running through the late 1990 model year, Ford placed 25th anniversary, tri-bar pony badges on the passenger side dash of all LX and GT Mustangs."
"Ford's only gesture at a 25th Anniversary Mustang was small indeed: a passenger-side dashboard emblem with galloping-horse logo affixed to all models built between March 27, 1989, and the end of model-year 1990."
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/c...54&carID=13111
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/c...90&carID=13111
http://www.hagerty.com/price-guide/1990-Ford-Mustang
..."the Emerald Green paint was drying on two of the new convertibles at the Dearborn assembly plant. It was December of 1989." and "Ford took the chloroformed 7-Up marketing effort and spun it into a sales stimulator of its own as the '90 Limited Edition Mustang convertible. Though Ford never really called this car a 25th Anniversary model, for better or worse, that's what it was. And that's the way enthusiasts treat this car today."
Ford, in dealer letters/info, did refer to it as the 25th Anniv. car.
This from here and keep in mind this a GT Registry but at least it's from 2001, post #14: http://www.mustanggt.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40988
"As for the running horse emblems on the dash... there isn't a clear cut-off date based on the door tag build date or VIN, either. It does appear *for the most part* that the dash emblems started being placed on the cars around mid-April '89. That being said, there are quite a few GT's in our database with April AND May '89 door tag build dates that *do not* have a 25th anniversary dash emblem. However, there were also six GT's with a *March '89* build date and a handful before March even that *DO* have the emblem on the dash. Again, keep in mind our comments from above about the build dates and VIN's."
There's no mention on how many of those GT's were original owner cars or not, but the fact that some did and some didn't before and after April plays into what I recall about Ford sending out dash emblems to cars produced without them.
When Ford went and decided to badge all cars 25th's it really screwed things up.
A big thing to keep in mind is that the '89 Probe was supposed to replace the 'Stang up until there was a big letter writing campaign against that move. So Ford in all reality never planned on an '89 let alone an anniv. car. Once that changed, plus starting the Probe up a real 25th got lost, forgot, didn't have the budget for or fill in the blank excuse. They had what was supposed to be a special edition car(honestly I don't recall the 7-Up promo) that they decided to make the 25th that is now said to not be THE official 25th.
I've always considered it to be the 25th because of my time in the dealership at that time and my recollection of what happened. Hind site being what it is I wish I would have thought to keep any doc's to support things. It was the '80's and there were more questions/doubt as to whether that generation would have ANY collectibilty down the road. The GT had out been back ~8yrs at that point and most people that I knew didn't consider it on the same level as the original at that time.
Out of curiosity I would like to see production/ship dates for the drop tops.
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Honestly I feel the first problem is that Ford wasn't planning on a 25th year of Mustang production and when that changed they had enough things to deal with that an anniv. car wasn't thought of. Then IIRC correctly there were rumblings/interest about whether or not Ford was going to do something for the 25th. So they ultimately half assed a 25th car(s).
IIRC
they did things in stages, as if what they did first wasn't very much so they tried to remedy it by doing something else that just made it worse so they tried fixing that and in the end it became another Ford SNAFU. Kinda like you say something and it doesn't come out right, so you say something else to clarify and that makes it worse so you say something again and in the end you look like_________
The simplest thing Ford could have done is a run of 2500 cars for 1989 in the color of the first 64 1/2 to come off the assembly line, Wimbledon White w/Black interior, and been done with it. By '89 Wimbledon White had been out of use for quite a while so it wouldn't have been confused with other cars for an anniv. car. Go a step further and make all 2500 drop tops like the first one.
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Very true.
Honestly I feel the first problem is that Ford wasn't planning on a 25th year of Mustang production and when that changed they had enough things to deal with that an anniv. car wasn't thought of. Then IIRC correctly there were rumblings/interest about whether or not Ford was going to do something for the 25th. So they ultimately half assed a 25th car(s).
IIRC they did things in stages, as if what they did first wasn't very much so they tried to remedy it by doing something else that just made it worse so they tried fixing that and in the end it became another Ford SNAFU. Kinda like you say something and it doesn't come out right, so you say something else to clarify and that makes it worse so you say something again and in the end you look like_________
The simplest thing Ford could have done is a run of 2500 cars for 1989 in the color of the first 64 1/2 to come off the assembly line, Wimbledon White w/Black interior, and been done with it. By '89 Wimbledon White had been out of use for quite a while so it wouldn't have been confused with other cars for an anniv. car. Go a step further and make all 2500 drop tops like the first one.
Honestly I feel the first problem is that Ford wasn't planning on a 25th year of Mustang production and when that changed they had enough things to deal with that an anniv. car wasn't thought of. Then IIRC correctly there were rumblings/interest about whether or not Ford was going to do something for the 25th. So they ultimately half assed a 25th car(s).
IIRC
they did things in stages, as if what they did first wasn't very much so they tried to remedy it by doing something else that just made it worse so they tried fixing that and in the end it became another Ford SNAFU. Kinda like you say something and it doesn't come out right, so you say something else to clarify and that makes it worse so you say something again and in the end you look like_________The simplest thing Ford could have done is a run of 2500 cars for 1989 in the color of the first 64 1/2 to come off the assembly line, Wimbledon White w/Black interior, and been done with it. By '89 Wimbledon White had been out of use for quite a while so it wouldn't have been confused with other cars for an anniv. car. Go a step further and make all 2500 drop tops like the first one.
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Very true.
Honestly I feel the first problem is that Ford wasn't planning on a 25th year of Mustang production and when that changed they had enough things to deal with that an anniv. car wasn't thought of. Then IIRC correctly there were rumblings/interest about whether or not Ford was going to do something for the 25th. So they ultimately half assed a 25th car(s).
IIRC they did things in stages, as if what they did first wasn't very much so they tried to remedy it by doing something else that just made it worse so they tried fixing that and in the end it became another Ford SNAFU. Kinda like you say something and it doesn't come out right, so you say something else to clarify and that makes it worse so you say something again and in the end you look like_________
The simplest thing Ford could have done is a run of 2500 cars for 1989 in the color of the first 64 1/2 to come off the assembly line, Wimbledon White w/Black interior, and been done with it. By '89 Wimbledon White had been out of use for quite a while so it wouldn't have been confused with other cars for an anniv. car. Go a step further and make all 2500 drop tops like the first one.
Honestly I feel the first problem is that Ford wasn't planning on a 25th year of Mustang production and when that changed they had enough things to deal with that an anniv. car wasn't thought of. Then IIRC correctly there were rumblings/interest about whether or not Ford was going to do something for the 25th. So they ultimately half assed a 25th car(s).
IIRC
they did things in stages, as if what they did first wasn't very much so they tried to remedy it by doing something else that just made it worse so they tried fixing that and in the end it became another Ford SNAFU. Kinda like you say something and it doesn't come out right, so you say something else to clarify and that makes it worse so you say something again and in the end you look like_________The simplest thing Ford could have done is a run of 2500 cars for 1989 in the color of the first 64 1/2 to come off the assembly line, Wimbledon White w/Black interior, and been done with it. By '89 Wimbledon White had been out of use for quite a while so it wouldn't have been confused with other cars for an anniv. car. Go a step further and make all 2500 drop tops like the first one.
As far as I'm concerned, 1990 was the actual 25th Anniversary of the original Ford Mustang and NOT 1989 !
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Oh lord are we still arguing about anniversary year models. There is a very simple reason why all the anniversary models fell on years ending in 4 or 9 until 2015. That reason is because corporate America + money = we just make up whatever kind of BS we want and you suckers will not only buy it, you will argue about it.
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Oh lord are we still arguing about anniversary year models. There is a very simple reason why all the anniversary models fell on years ending in 4 or 9 until 2015. That reason is because corporate America + money = we just make up whatever kind of BS we want and you suckers will not only buy it, you will argue about it.
Yes ! We're all fully aware why all anniversary models prior to 2015 fell on years ending in 4 and 9 rather than years ending in 5 and 10 as it should had been from the very beginning.. Therefore it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Ford created all this mess and confusion thanks to their corporate/marketing B.S schemes.. However if someone can provide a legitimate answer ? I'd still really appreciate it never the less
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If your 89" GT was an early MY prior to March 27th of 1989 ? This is why your GT would had been a non-anniversary edition !
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Mine has an estimated delivery date of 17-Apr. I had not thought about it until now; isn't that 'intro day' back in 1964? Does that make it a 51 year Anniversary model? LOL... just tweaking ya'll.
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Who said anything about arguing ? We're just trying to figure out/rationalize Ford's purpose for badging mid/late 89 models and then badging them again during the 1990 model year as 25th Anniversary editions..
Yes ! We're all fully aware why all anniversary models prior to 2015 fell on years ending in 4 and 9 rather than years ending in 5 and 10 as it should had been from the very beginning.. Therefore it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Ford created all this mess and confusion thanks to their corporate/marketing B.S schemes.. However if someone can provide a legitimate answer ? I'd still really appreciate it never the less
Yes ! We're all fully aware why all anniversary models prior to 2015 fell on years ending in 4 and 9 rather than years ending in 5 and 10 as it should had been from the very beginning.. Therefore it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Ford created all this mess and confusion thanks to their corporate/marketing B.S schemes.. However if someone can provide a legitimate answer ? I'd still really appreciate it never the less
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If they were going to do a limited run of 2500 cars ? They should had waited until the 1990 model year, as the first model to come off the assembly line was the early 1965 car during the 65 model year.. As there was never an official 64 1/2 Mustang to begin with..
As far as I'm concerned, 1990 was the actual 25th Anniversary of the original Ford Mustang and NOT 1989 !
As far as I'm concerned, 1990 was the actual 25th Anniversary of the original Ford Mustang and NOT 1989 !
IIRC there are some unique identifiers on the 1/2 cars, so in one sense there is a 64 1/2 but not in the way they have to be titled.
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'64 1/2
Edge of hood isn't rolled under:
Headlight bezel is beveled to accommodate hood:
260 V8 '64 1/2 only:
Generator instead of alternator:
Brake pressure switch on master cylinder:
There's actually quite a few more. They may have been titled and sold as '65's from April till Sept. when new model year cars traditionally came out back then but they are not what became a '65 when the rest of the '65 cars came out.
The first 2+2's didn't come out until the '65 "model year".
For the rest of the documented differences look here: http://www.mustangandfords.com/news/mustang-1964/
Edge of hood isn't rolled under:
Headlight bezel is beveled to accommodate hood:
260 V8 '64 1/2 only:
Generator instead of alternator:
Brake pressure switch on master cylinder:
There's actually quite a few more. They may have been titled and sold as '65's from April till Sept. when new model year cars traditionally came out back then but they are not what became a '65 when the rest of the '65 cars came out.
The first 2+2's didn't come out until the '65 "model year".
For the rest of the documented differences look here: http://www.mustangandfords.com/news/mustang-1964/
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Ford still staggers derivative model launches within a model year. The 2015 Convertible is a good example; still a 2015 MY but not launched at Job 1 with the coupe. The Lincoln 'Black Label' trim level is another good example. I believe the present Taurus SHO was also delayed back in 2013 and was not available at the start of the model year. None of these are iconic examples anymore, however, and except for the few 'car guys' that are left and congregating to sites like this, nobody even cares anymore.
Gosh, a 'generator' and a 'carburetor' on the same car!
Gosh, a 'generator' and a 'carburetor' on the same car!
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After all the anniversary talk it seems like the logics and reasoning are all hearsay unless the original makers can chime in? Basic mathematics doesn't count, so it boils down to Ford says it is what it is :-)
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Therefore your Mustang is an official 50th Anniversary edition
