I definitely agree with you on this.

I think for the small number of Ford GT supercars they make and since they will sell every last one and no laterally available competition, they knew it wouldn't be too much a sales issue.

The Raptor has less than 6 years of following. All the owners are fairly new in the market and have nothing to compare to. I don't know how loyal a following they got in those 6 years.

GM should come out with a Baja style Silverado with a Supercharged LT4, I bet Raptor owners would jump ship to that setup. Or a Baja Ram with the Hellcat V8!

Mustang has 50 years of multiple levels of customers of varying demographics. The loyalists have followed Mustang for years and for what has been built upon over those years.

That's a big customer base to send over to another brand.

Keep oil and gas cheap and elect officials who have our interests in hand, and the future will be pretty bright!

 

The Ford GT probably got the Eco6 for a numerous set of reasons.
A lot of what is said is about the class of racing it is destined for, as well,
it's a technological showcase from front to back.


Everything from front to back of this car, shows where things COULD go in the future. Ford has heavily invested in the EcoBoost line, and as of now they don't have a V8 in this category, that doesn't mean they won't in the future if they really need to. It does show how capable it is. And this is a newer Eco6, as mentioned elsewhere, that utilizes both port and direct injection.

The carbon fiber, a testament to it's uses and possibilities for other vehicles in the future. I'm really excited to see how far they bring this tech to the everyday cars down the line, especially with the announcement of Dow.


And the tech in the car, from Sync3 down to the gauges and all the subsystems working together.


I don't think this is a 'writing on the wall' for the V8.
Mustangs and Trucks will continue to use them.

 

Are you blind?? The Raptor isn't the only V6 F-150 - 3/4 engines in the lineup are V6s, and the 5.0 in the F-150 is neutered to make the V6s look better. I will bet you that we are a few years away from Ford dropping the 5.0 from the lineup altogether.

 

Resistance is futile!!!

 

I own an independent repair shop and have been working on cars over 30 years so I am aware that F150's have V6 NA and EcoBoost currently and consumes most of the 1/2 ton engine lineup.

Where I live, many have "real" trucks used for "real" work and are of the 3/4 ton and up variety. Most of these are owned by Construction, Plowing, Landscape, Service companies and would not stand for a V6 Turbo setup. They want the simplicity and reliability of a large V8 engine like the 6.2L. Many have the diesels, but as of recent, many of those customers are wishing they had a simple to maintain, always starts in -20*, regular cheap oil changes, not constantly changing fuel filters etc that comes with owning a diesel truck. Especially with how the price of diesel is high, cost to purchase high, maintenance high etc... These 3/4 ton and up customers is why they will never drop a V8 gas. These trucks are so abused and neglected, a TTV6 would sludge up and commit suicide with this kind of abuse.

Your preaching to the choir with regards to Turbo Performance, as I have and own multiple Turbocharged vehicles over the years and currently drive a B5 S4 Twin Turbo V6 Audi as my winter beater. I was a proponent of Turbo Mustangs when everyone was going Centrifugal. I bought one of the first Turbo Systems Cartech made back in 1990-1991 for foxbody 5.0's

Ford will never eliminate the V8 engine from its lineup as long as we are using internal combustion engines. The 5.0 may go, but it will develop into a new DI 5.2 or some other form of "new" V8.

A L4, V6, V8, 10, 12, 16 cylinder engine will all use similar amounts of fuel when demanding a similar amount of output. There is no magic crystal ball energy source generator in these new EcoBoost engines.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake...el_consumption

That's why the EBTTV6 in F150's etc, get **** poor mileage when trying to pull a 10,000lb load. They are using all the power required to move the load on top of extra fuel to keep from self destructing. Now under feather light throttle, it will sip fuel as best it can, but ever notice how a big engine car like a Vette can knock down 30+mpg in top gear crushing on highway? That engine is probably at 5-10% load where a Turbo L4 would be operating at 10-20% load and or at a higher RPM. So now they are consuming similar amounts of fuel to do similar work.

 

For the record, I am not in the EB camp. I don't think the tech is long term. I have first hand experience with the lack of longevity when the EB trucks are put to actual work.

But just look at the facts. Ford is not caring about what the few customers that are stuck in the "no replacement for displacement" camp, and in reality, they haven't cared about those few in a LONG time. As mentioned above, Ford engines have been undersized when compared to the completion, for decades. This is just more of the same, while lopping off a quarter of the block.

If the V8 stays, it'll be downsized and turbo'd. I don't think the V8 is staying though.

 

Just as some have stated earlier. The older v8's used to only put out 160 hp and get 10-15 mpg.

Now our v8's will put out 420+ hp and get 19-25 mpg. There is no reason to think that in the future there wont be a way to make a 5.0 get 40 mpg. It sounds crazy just typing that but they have been able to do amzing things with engines lately.

It could be that we enter a time where the v8's or the larger 5L disapear for awhile only to make a comeback later when technology improves.

I believe there are some v8's (I think it is in some of the dodge charges) that "turn off" a number of cylinders when the damand for the extra power is not present.

I have even heard of some vehicles going to 10 speed Automatic transmissions to help fuel economy.

Add a mixture of a few techs like that and pehaps you can meet the CAFE standards and keep you customers happy.

 

 

I respect your opinion, but I do think the "enthusiast" V8 engine community albeit small does have a voice and if enough voiced their opinion much like in 1987 when the Mustang was slated for Front Wheel Drive and a Turbo L4 which turned into the Probe, Ford will listen. It's that community which makes Mustang what it is and why others want to join the crowd.

I believe when most think of Mustang, the thought that would first pop into heads would be, "fastback", "convertible", "V8/Rumble", "Classic", "Fun"

Any of these is what a Mustang owner would expect in Americas Pony Car. That's what they need to stick to. If they want a small engine performance coupe, develop another car and call it something else.

The Probe was suppose to be what the "current trend" was going toward having the latest and greatest of technology and we know how that car ended up.

Boy these articles posted brought back the clock! Thank goodness for John Coletti! Passionate about the Mustang!

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...ush-with-death

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ost-a-mustang/

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...d-mustang.html


I guess in reality this is all just speculation and time will tell.

 

Right. But for some reason Ford won't touch this. And are only now considering roller followers. Yet Ram trucks - with a pushrod Hemi V8 - claims to win the mileage game over Ford's EBTTV6. 10% gain is nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention lower emissions...

<The cylinder deactivation or “Multi Displacement System” (MDS) turns off the fuel in four cylinders when power is not needed. Chrysler said that the MDS system saved nearly 100 million gallons of gasoline between 2005 and 2009, and reduced carbon dioxide (CO₂) emissions by close to a million metric tons. Cylinder deactivation first appeared in cars, and was added to Ram Hemis later.
The system raised fuel economy by around 10% overall.

The hollow cam has oversized journals and lobes to reduce side loading on the lifters; roller-style lifters reduce friction and wear.>

 

This just breaks my heart :/ :/ wtf stupid government regulations. I know I will not own a v6 or I4 sports car, its just not happening. I am going to get that gt350 and the old ford gt. Thats my plan!

 

Why in god's name would Ford spend all that $$$ on R&D for it's all new 5.2L flat plane crank V8 that's coming in the GT350 for just a couple of years ?

Sorry, but that's just another reason why I don't buy into Ford killing off the V8 period.. If anything, Ford will just develop more fuel efficient smaller displacement V8's in order to meet the CAFE requirements..

And if it does happen ? Then GM and Chrysler will also follow suit as well !

 

Some of you are acting like the sky is falling...


The reason the Ford GT had the twin turbo V6 is that to race at the 24hours of LeMans, the motor has to meet a certain displacement.


Change is inevitable, but I highly doubt that the V8 is going away Future models may have smaller displacement, turbocharging and supercharging, but if the horsepower is there, will anyone complain? I doubt it.

 

Homologation for 'Ford Performance Div'?

 

The same can be said for the TTV6 Charlie

 

I would like to think so, but if Ford is abandoning the V8 for F-150, the country's most popular vehicle for the past 4 decades, what makes you think Ford won't abandon their piddly 100k Mustang buyers?

 

The incorporation of a turbo V6 to the Mustang lineup is inevitable ladies and gentlemen. We all know it. I'm not saying that the V8 is going to be dropped, but I could see it being relegated to the high end Mustangs slotted above the GT. Every year the margin of GT vs V6 / ecoboost powered cars grows more and more in favor of the V6 / ecoboost side. There are a variety of reasons for this but I think chief among them is the cost of the GT and the change in preferences among buyers who view V8 powered cars with something of a negative context.

The reality is that they can get a turbo charged V6 car to perform every bit as well as the current GT. Perhaps even better if the V6 car offers a reduction in weight. Right now you can get an F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost V6 starting at 27K. Given that I personally think Ford could easily offer a 3.5 powered Mustang that puts down 430 to 450 hp starting at 28K with no problem.

Ford is adamant about selling the Mustang globally and it is very difficult to sell a 5.0 V8 in Europe for anywhere near what Europeans would consider affordable. Heck its not even affordable here for that matter. Most Americans simply can't afford a 35 to 40 thousand dollar car and that's just the reality of the country we live in even if the car companies can't bring themselves to grips with it. But that is another thread entirely. A 3.5 powered Mustang would be easier for Ford to sell in Europe and whether we like it or not, Ford is all about selling the most cars for the most money. No matter what they say, they really couldn't care less about nostalgia and heritage and all that nice stuff. They care about one thing, making money. If they think they can make more money with a twin turbo V6 Mustang GT than I suggest we all get ready to embrace the suck.

 

Not even 100K when you factor in how many are actually buying the V8 powered Mustngs vs V6 and ecoboost powered versions of the car. More like 35 to 40K.

 

My money is on the LeMans regulations:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/17/l...trictions-eas/
Not some anti-Ecoboost article put up for clicks.

 

Agree there. I see the tv ads about thousands off for a 15 F150 for a net of "only" 37k. That's crazy. Its an engine a cab and a freakin box in back.

This used to be a heavy F150 area. But with the tough economy (for a couple of decades now), newer Rams are all over the place. Because they are winning on price.