Ford to discontinue V8
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I just read that the CAFE standards dont "force" you to make your motors reach a certain MPG but instead hit you with a penalty if you sell a motor that doesnt.
So Just because the 5.2L V8 doesnt make 40/50 whatever mpg's, doesnt mean that ford is not allowed to sell it.
What it does do is make buying a car with that motor more costly as ford will pass the cost onto the buyers.
So it may end up that even though GT's will no longer have V8's, the Shelbys will. Just be a more expensive shelby....
So Just because the 5.2L V8 doesnt make 40/50 whatever mpg's, doesnt mean that ford is not allowed to sell it.
What it does do is make buying a car with that motor more costly as ford will pass the cost onto the buyers.
So it may end up that even though GT's will no longer have V8's, the Shelbys will. Just be a more expensive shelby....
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Yeah of course the GT will no longer have the coyote for 2018. It will sport the voodoo!! :-) I know there is amazing capabilities with these smaller engines but **** I could never see myself shopping a stang without a V8 :/
Edit- good thing a I got my 15 GT PP !!
Edit- good thing a I got my 15 GT PP !!
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Agree there. I see the tv ads about thousands off for a 15 F150 for a net of "only" 37k. 
That's crazy. Its an engine a cab and a freakin box in back.
This used to be a heavy F150 area. But with the tough economy (for a couple of decades now), newer Rams are all over the place. Because they are winning on price.
That's crazy. Its an engine a cab and a freakin box in back. This used to be a heavy F150 area. But with the tough economy (for a couple of decades now), newer Rams are all over the place. Because they are winning on price.
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Once again, Sooo glad we bought this year and bought the GT. No one with half a noodle can't say they haven't given the current scenario at least a passing thought in the last few years. I think you guys are also right about the fact that Ford will most likely always offer a V8 in the 'stang for the foreseeable near future BUT I'm starting to think: A) It will most likely be something of a voodoo style engine. B) The pricing may be something like the 'vette zo6- astronomically priced to pay the CAFE fine. What do you guys think? As far as the F150, I'm sure the V8 will be gone from that body. I'm quite sure Ford doesn't think the FEW guys that buy 'em to use in landscaping and such are worth the trouble and pain required for a V8 option. Also those same buyer are the guys that think they should be able to buy 'em for 25K- DEFINITELY not worth the trouble, and all the billybobs care about is a payment in a color they like that can be turned into a junior- wannabe gravedigger.
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Another option I could see Ford going with is dropping the 3.7 and offering
A. 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang as entry level Mustang
B. 3.5 Ecoboost Mustang GT
C. V8 Mustang GT as an option
D. High end Mustangs, V8 only
This would enable them to sell Mustang GT's in Europe that meet the emission standards and taxation that comes along with that.
A. 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang as entry level Mustang
B. 3.5 Ecoboost Mustang GT
C. V8 Mustang GT as an option
D. High end Mustangs, V8 only
This would enable them to sell Mustang GT's in Europe that meet the emission standards and taxation that comes along with that.
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Once again, Sooo glad we bought this year and bought the GT. No one with half a noodle can't say they haven't given the current scenario at least a passing thought in the last few years. I think you guys are also right about the fact that Ford will most likely always offer a V8 in the 'stang for the foreseeable near future BUT I'm starting to think: A) It will most likely be something of a voodoo style engine. B) The pricing may be something like the 'vette zo6- astronomically priced to pay the CAFE fine. What do you guys think? As far as the F150, I'm sure the V8 will be gone from that body. I'm quite sure Ford doesn't think the FEW guys that buy 'em to use in landscaping and such are worth the trouble and pain required for a V8 option. Also those same buyer are the guys that think they should be able to buy 'em for 25K- DEFINITELY not worth the trouble, and all the billybobs care about is a payment in a color they like that can be turned into a junior- wannabe gravedigger.
I think that's a reasonable and accurate viewpoint.
On a side note, it wouldn't bother me at all to drive a twin boomer Mustang V6 that could eat some poor Challenger's lunch. lol
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Another option I could see Ford going with is dropping the 3.7 and offering A. 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang as entry level Mustang B. 3.5 Ecoboost Mustang GT C. V8 Mustang GT as an option D. High end Mustangs, V8 only This would enable them to sell Mustang GT's in Europe that meet the emission standards and taxation that comes along with that.
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The incorporation of a turbo V6 to the Mustang lineup is inevitable ladies and gentlemen. We all know it. I'm not saying that the V8 is going to be dropped, but I could see it being relegated to the high end Mustangs slotted above the GT. Every year the margin of GT vs V6 / ecoboost powered cars grows more and more in favor of the V6 / ecoboost side. There are a variety of reasons for this but I think chief among them is the cost of the GT and the change in preferences among buyers who view V8 powered cars with something of a negative context.
The reality is that they can get a turbo charged V6 car to perform every bit as well as the current GT. Perhaps even better if the V6 car offers a reduction in weight. Right now you can get an F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost V6 starting at 27K. Given that I personally think Ford could easily offer a 3.5 powered Mustang that puts down 430 to 450 hp starting at 28K with no problem.
Ford is adamant about selling the Mustang globally and it is very difficult to sell a 5.0 V8 in Europe for anywhere near what Europeans would consider affordable. Heck its not even affordable here for that matter. Most Americans simply can't afford a 35 to 40 thousand dollar car and that's just the reality of the country we live in even if the car companies can't bring themselves to grips with it. But that is another thread entirely. A 3.5 powered Mustang would be easier for Ford to sell in Europe and whether we like it or not, Ford is all about selling the most cars for the most money. No matter what they say, they really couldn't care less about nostalgia and heritage and all that nice stuff. They care about one thing, making money. If they think they can make more money with a twin turbo V6 Mustang GT than I suggest we all get ready to embrace the suck.
The reality is that they can get a turbo charged V6 car to perform every bit as well as the current GT. Perhaps even better if the V6 car offers a reduction in weight. Right now you can get an F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost V6 starting at 27K. Given that I personally think Ford could easily offer a 3.5 powered Mustang that puts down 430 to 450 hp starting at 28K with no problem.
Ford is adamant about selling the Mustang globally and it is very difficult to sell a 5.0 V8 in Europe for anywhere near what Europeans would consider affordable. Heck its not even affordable here for that matter. Most Americans simply can't afford a 35 to 40 thousand dollar car and that's just the reality of the country we live in even if the car companies can't bring themselves to grips with it. But that is another thread entirely. A 3.5 powered Mustang would be easier for Ford to sell in Europe and whether we like it or not, Ford is all about selling the most cars for the most money. No matter what they say, they really couldn't care less about nostalgia and heritage and all that nice stuff. They care about one thing, making money. If they think they can make more money with a twin turbo V6 Mustang GT than I suggest we all get ready to embrace the suck.
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Yea I could see them playing around with the names. Essentially though the GT and the 3.5 car would be about the same performance level even if sporting different monikers.
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Rob ! Europe wasn't getting the 5.0 V8 to begin with.. As for Ford caring about one thing and one thing only ? I totally agree, however if you think for one moment that if GM and Mopar continue to offer V8 powered Camaro's and Challengers/Cuda's respectfully or whatever Dodge has in mind for replacing the Challenger that Ford's going to risk losing the Mustang faithful over to the competition ? Then your sadly mistaken, as Ford does indeed care about one thing and one thing only and are therefore far from being stupid
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I had such a bad experience with my dad's Chrysler turbo (yeah I know) that turbos have always been something I've wanted to stay away from over the years. Is the tech that much better where turbo cars can hit those high miles we expect from our cars?
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Just as some have stated earlier. The older v8's used to only put out 160 hp and get 10-15 mpg.
Now our v8's will put out 420+ hp and get 19-25 mpg. There is no reason to think that in the future there wont be a way to make a 5.0 get 40 mpg. It sounds crazy just typing that but they have been able to do amzing things with engines lately.
It could be that we enter a time where the v8's or the larger 5L disapear for awhile only to make a comeback later when technology improves.
I believe there are some v8's (I think it is in some of the dodge charges) that "turn off" a number of cylinders when the damand for the extra power is not present.
I have even heard of some vehicles going to 10 speed Automatic transmissions to help fuel economy.
Add a mixture of a few techs like that and pehaps you can meet the CAFE standards and keep you customers happy.
Now our v8's will put out 420+ hp and get 19-25 mpg. There is no reason to think that in the future there wont be a way to make a 5.0 get 40 mpg. It sounds crazy just typing that but they have been able to do amzing things with engines lately.
It could be that we enter a time where the v8's or the larger 5L disapear for awhile only to make a comeback later when technology improves.
I believe there are some v8's (I think it is in some of the dodge charges) that "turn off" a number of cylinders when the damand for the extra power is not present.
I have even heard of some vehicles going to 10 speed Automatic transmissions to help fuel economy.
Add a mixture of a few techs like that and pehaps you can meet the CAFE standards and keep you customers happy.
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True enough, which is why I can see the V8 being kept as an option and the TT V6 being offered as standard equipment. For all we know, GM and Chrysler are looking at following the same plan. As 2K correctly pointed out, this is what happens when we put liberals in power.
If GM and Chrysler on the other hand are looking at following the same plan ? Then yes, I totally agree with you on that one without a doubt
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Southern is talking about cylinder deactivation technology. In essence your V8 becomes a 4 cylinder at cruising speed. The cylinders alternate pulling in air but no fuel to increase mileage and also help cool the engine. Chrysler is currently implementing 8 speed automatic transmissions in some of its cars but as of yet I have not seen any 10 speed automatics. That's not to say they aren't coming. Of course extra gears in the transmission is of no help to the purists who want to row their own. Currently six gears is about all you get with a stick.
While it's true that they have come a long way with the technology level in V8's I think it prudent to remember that it's also true they have come a long way with the tech level in all manner of engines. Furthermore more, no amount of technology will ever be able to remedy the fact that a V8 will always produce more emissions than a V6 or a 4 cylinder when measured over a given amount of time. There in lies the problem because the liberals in our government have declared war on emissions regardless of the fact that today's cars produce barely a fraction of the emission output of cars from 20 to 30 years ago.
While it's true that they have come a long way with the technology level in V8's I think it prudent to remember that it's also true they have come a long way with the tech level in all manner of engines. Furthermore more, no amount of technology will ever be able to remedy the fact that a V8 will always produce more emissions than a V6 or a 4 cylinder when measured over a given amount of time. There in lies the problem because the liberals in our government have declared war on emissions regardless of the fact that today's cars produce barely a fraction of the emission output of cars from 20 to 30 years ago.
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Oh trust me, I'm no fan of the republicans either. But I'm treading dangerously close to turning this thread into a political debate and I know from experience that that will not have any positive outcome. We have much better things to discuss than the chorus of failures that pollute the halls of our nations capitol.
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Right. But for some reason Ford won't touch this. And are only now considering roller followers. Yet Ram trucks - with a pushrod Hemi V8 - claims to win the mileage game over Ford's EBTTV6. 10% gain is nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention lower emissions...
<The cylinder deactivation or “Multi Displacement System” (MDS) turns off the fuel in four cylinders when power is not needed. Chrysler said that the MDS system saved nearly 100 million gallons of gasoline between 2005 and 2009, and reduced carbon dioxide (CO₂) emissions by close to a million metric tons. Cylinder deactivation first appeared in cars, and was added to Ram Hemis later.
The system raised fuel economy by around 10% overall.
The hollow cam has oversized journals and lobes to reduce side loading on the lifters; roller-style lifters reduce friction and wear.>
<The cylinder deactivation or “Multi Displacement System” (MDS) turns off the fuel in four cylinders when power is not needed. Chrysler said that the MDS system saved nearly 100 million gallons of gasoline between 2005 and 2009, and reduced carbon dioxide (CO₂) emissions by close to a million metric tons. Cylinder deactivation first appeared in cars, and was added to Ram Hemis later.
The system raised fuel economy by around 10% overall.
The hollow cam has oversized journals and lobes to reduce side loading on the lifters; roller-style lifters reduce friction and wear.>
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Oh trust me, I'm no fan of the republicans either. But I'm treading dangerously close to turning this thread into a political debate and I know from experience that that will not have any positive outcome. We have much better things to discuss than the chorus of failures that pollute the halls of our nations capitol.
