Rob ! I clearly stated the Mustang GT.. As there were never any GT models during the Mustang II era from 74-78.. However the 302 V8 did return for the 75 model year

 

I was going to check that out with The Mustang Source, but



https://themustangsource.com/forums/...6/#post6888376

 

Okay Charlie, you got me ! So I'm guilty as charged for being technically incorrect, so I forgot to include the Mustang II era

 

What I am saying is I'm not a mustang encyclopedia like some of you. But the link at the top bar was always the goto. I just used it yesterday.

But the new suck asz powers at be IB suddenly removed all that history!! It was enormous!

 

If chevy makes a 4.0 V8, Ford will make a 2.5...

Am I right or am I right?

 

I know exactly what you mean, however Rob was correct as the Mustang II wasn't available in a 302 V8 for the 74 model year, so technically he was right

 

As far as I'm concerned, you are right and couldn't agree with you more Patrick

 

Holy crap I was right about something!!!

 

Actually, as has been noted, there was one year without a V8.

Let me toss this back at you another way... If you could, today... get the current V8 engine, or for the very same price, get a TTV6 that output 450hp and 450ft/lbs of torque, which would you take?

What if the V6 was faster in both quarter mile and 0-60 and faster around a track?

I have no doubt it is a fact, after all, it only takes one person to make it so.

The question becomes, how many people is "many"? If Ford would lose 5% or even 10% of their customers, but save 20% of the money, they might well take that.

It is just a business decision. I have no idea what the numbers are to them, all I'm saying is that at the end of the day, it is a business decision and it might make sense to keep a V8, or it might not.

We simply don't know.

 

I'd take the current V8 in a GT. It's already too fast for the street. I don't need any more power from the factory. Also, said theoretical 450hp V6 would get no better mpg and most likely have the same amount of emissions as today's V8...

 

Did you read post # 228 ? I already addressed this and corrected my previous inaccuracy

You're probably not going to believe my answer, however I would still take the current V8 engine even if the TTV6 were capable of 450HP and 450lbs of torque and even if it cost around the same, so here are my reasons..

1.. There's nothing like the raw muscle and sound that only a V8 can produce

2.. I am a die hard traditionalist who's been a huge V8 fan since the 1st generation mustangs were introduced..

3.. If necessary, I can always add modifications to equal or surpass the HP/Torque of the TTV6

4.. Being the fastest isn't such as huge of a factor to me as it was over 30 years ago, it's the pure overall enjoyment of the driving experience I get everytime I get behind the wheel of my Mustang.. The huge smile on my face when somebody gives me the thumbs up when they pull up beside me and most of all because I've met and have since become friends with so many people throughout the years from all the local car cruises I've been attending for over the last 10+years..

Those are the things that matter most to me and are my reasons..



And once again, if it makes business sense for GM and Chrysler to continue V8 production, then why wouldn't it make just as much sense to Ford as well ? Now that is the real question which requires a straight forward answer

 

Of course you were Rob lol.. I just sometimes get so caught up in all the fun and excitement that it effects my memory and being that I owned a 78 Mustang II, I should had never forgotten that 74 was indeed the only year in which the Mustang did not come with a V8

 

You know as well as I do what I mean.. I'm referring to the long time, die hard Mustang faithful, now if you feel the need to put up some percentage numbers ? then by all means, you go right ahead.. But I think you know and comprehend exactly where I'm coming from..

 

I absolutely would have gone with the V6TT. Better performance and better mileage. Win Win. Yes a V8 sound awesome, but so does a powerful V6.

 

My TTV6 Audi S4 sounds better than a 4cyl, but no where near the sound of my 2014 GT V8 or any of my Turbo V8 SBF's or Turbo V8 LSX!


The mileage is no better based on the output commanded of the powerplant. In my TTV6 S4, If I'm on the throttle/boost all the time, Im lucky to get 10-15mpg. Cruising on the open road no boost no load, it will go way up but not much better than 25-26.


So my NA 5.0 V8 in a car that weighs about the same and 420hp knocks down better city and hwy mileage than my TTV6 2.7L.


Its all about output and the fuel needed to get that output. The TTV6 in the new GT will be lucky to get 6mpg at the 600hp output level...probably less!

 

I wonder if the current HP race is actually hurting things then...

If you don't need more power, would you prefer a 4.0L V8 that made 350HP if it ensured that you would continue to have a V8 option?

What if that engine was $2K less expensive than the current one, would you take it at 350HP over the current 435HP 5.0L V8?

 

Absolutely and absolutely. I would've been perfectly happy with a 2010 GT with 315hp and V8 noise. If I could've found one with the options that I spec'd my car with, I would've saved $10k and done that, but I'm pretty sure my car is 1/1.

The smaller engine would be lighter weight too, which would negate the loss of 70hp. No one needs a 305hp V6 as a daily driver, and for sure no one needs a 420hp V8 for a daily driver. That said, I'm getting high flow cats and a dyno tune tomorrow...

 

That is why I put the at the end of that, sorry if it didn't come across properly, I was just being cheeky...

I totally believe you. As someone else said, we don't need more power...

I've driven the new V8, it accelerates faster than I would likely ever require, outside of "hey come check out my new Mustang!".

A 4.0L V8 making 350HP would be fine, doubly so if it got 20% better fuel economy.

It doesn't make any sense, unless they take a different approach.

Ford might decide to go with all EcoBoost engines from top to bottom of their vehicle line, GM might decide to go with big V8 engines at the top and series electric hybrids at the bottom.

That being said, I've noted elsewhere that I think the 6.2L pushrod V8 in the GM vehicles is doomed. I don't know when, but I have a hard time seeing that offered in the future. It should be gone by 2025 anyway.

Note: I'm not saying that *I* think it should be gone, I'm telling you what I think will actually happen.

I've owned 3 of them, I love a big V8... Being able to pass many "sporty" cars in my big 3 ton truck is fun sometimes, yes, even a Mustang or two.

 

Which is why I will hold on to my 2014 GT 5.0 Premium...

 

I think its important for people to understand that you cannot get a v8, rwd, coupe, for the 30-40k range unless its american. Do you know of any car which costs that much, is currently being produced, and has those characteristics? I dont... maybe im not thinking hard enough. Regardless though, Ford will be one less to make such a thing leaving only GM and Chrysler. And i really dont want to have go down that road.

I feel there should at least be a single v8 option, even if it falls under the highest category... hell make it on SVT Ford vehicles only if you have to, but at least leave us that option to have one.

V8s can be made efficient, its not even an issue, the coyote itself is a modern marvel with regard to fuel efficiency for an engine of its size and output.

One of my biggest heartbreaks was not being able to buy the c63 AMG coupe with the 6.3 V8. They no longer produce that engine, it is now extinct. Nevertheless they still kept the v8 in the AMG's but the displacement is smaller and they feature forced induction.

Just the whole no more v8 what so ever thing bothers me. Its not that im being close minded, i understand the performance, the capabilities and advantages of non v8 configurations, you would have to be stupid not to. Some of us are more into cars than others and are more specific with our tastes and preferences. Me personally, i enjoy a naturally aspirated v8. At the end of the day i feel we should have that option and be able to choose. Not everyone is the same with regards to preferences or finances. Its always good to have a choice... like they offer right now... mustang ecoboost, v6, v8 etc.