'13-14 Cluster into '10-12 car (with TrackApps) retrofit


This is the latest datalog and is when I used 100 Octane. I hope this helps answer that question as I am honestly not sure.
Last edited by McLovin; Jul 15, 2014 at 03:33 PM.

That's my first pull at WOT and where the knock sensor goes negative.
I went back and looked a little earlier and look at this.


This looks like essentially me almost coming to a stop, getting up to about 2,500 rpm, and then shifting. Right before I shifted, knock is detected at the same level as when I went WOT. To me that doesn't seem right either! :-\
OK... now the next thing.
I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)
That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190
As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..
Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap
Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work
I assume the harnesses will run around $700 plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...
I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )
LEXiiON
I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)
That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190

As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..
Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap
Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work

I assume the harnesses will run around $700 plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...
I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )
LEXiiON
Last edited by LEXiiON; Jul 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM. Reason: Made it cheaper
OK... now the next thing.
I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)
That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190
As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..
Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap
Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work
I assume the harnesses will run around $700K plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...
I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )
LEXiiON
I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)
That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190

As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..
Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap
Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work

I assume the harnesses will run around $700K plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...
I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )
LEXiiON
The only thing that seems over the top difficult for us normal folk, is the PCM reprogramming. Good thing Matt likes a challenge eh?
I want that working boost gauge in mine. Just waiting for Matt to finish the Octocoupler... then i have all the stuff i want (TrackApps will come later for sure).
LEXiiON



