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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by McLovin
Per what Lund has told me, it has been and only at Wide Open Throttle. There is no audible pinging noise either.
What are your mods? I have no mods - using stock airbox. What AFR you seeing at WOT?
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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhines
What are your mods? I have no mods - using stock airbox. What AFR you seeing at WOT?
As of right now, I just have resonator deletes, Borla S Axlebacks, and 3.73 Gears (I do have a Bob's Oil Separator but I didn't think that mattered). I was going to try and put my JLT CAI in this weekend.





This is the latest datalog and is when I used 100 Octane. I hope this helps answer that question as I am honestly not sure.

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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 04:04 PM
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How could your minimum Knock Sensor be -3.38?? Should be minimum of 0 and remain 0 entire run. THats weird.
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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 04:21 PM
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That's my first pull at WOT and where the knock sensor goes negative.


I went back and looked a little earlier and look at this.




This looks like essentially me almost coming to a stop, getting up to about 2,500 rpm, and then shifting. Right before I shifted, knock is detected at the same level as when I went WOT. To me that doesn't seem right either! :-\
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 06:17 AM
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http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ensor-pid.html
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 10:57 AM
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OK... now the next thing.

I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)

That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190

As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..

Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap

Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work

I assume the harnesses will run around $700 plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...

I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )

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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LEXiiON
OK... now the next thing.

I did some digging into a PCM swap to Copperhead... Basically the 5.4 and 5.0 use the same PCM (at least the wiring diagrams mention 5.0/5.4)

That is a larger effort. The connectors are different (C175B 50 Pin on 2010 - 70 Pin on 2011+) and completely different wired. With that i mean all 3 connectors are wired differently. There may be a couple of PINs that go into the same location, but that's about it. A couple out of 190

As thought before, the easiest way to do the swap is to get a 2013 SJB (well, needed for the harness) cost $130, the engine harness, the battery harness and the lightning harness. Still looking for P/Ns..

Advantages: Getting a separate IAT2, wideband O2's, Boost, TrackApps, and a fully functional cluster without a BB, fully integrated EPAS, 2013 HIDs and LED bar with no additional wiring (as it is currently) - Puddle light PIN in SJB, easy GT500 5.4/5.8 4V engine swap

Disadvantages: need to rewire the engine, cost of harness, tune required for 4.6 3V to run on a 2013 GT500 PCM, and who knows if that will work

I assume the harnesses will run around $700K plus SJB, wideband O2s, MAP sensor etc. so overall ~$1500 with PCM plus work...

I am tempted to go that route, but I need to do more investigation on this (P/N's connector types etc... )

LEXiiON
Now that's an expensive mod! LOL

The only thing that seems over the top difficult for us normal folk, is the PCM reprogramming. Good thing Matt likes a challenge eh?
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by McLovin
Now that's an expensive mod! LOL

The only thing that seems over the top difficult for us normal folk, is the PCM reprogramming. Good thing Matt likes a challenge eh?
Gee... Hate those typos
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 01:55 PM
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Gee... Hate those typos
Ok after some more investigation, I will definitely postpone this until I do my engine build.

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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 12:17 PM
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Who was trying to get track key working? Talking with Matt, he was working with someone, but he stopped communicating.

I'm still interested in making this work.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 04:44 PM
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Who was trying to get track key working? Talking with Matt, he was working with someone, but he stopped communicating.

I'm still interested in making this work.
I hope you guys weren't referring to me lol.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Anyone know where I can get a 13/14 GT500 cluster? I have a friend with a 2011 GT500 wanting to do the swap. Not having to much luck finding one so far. Thanks.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kona12GT
Anyone know where I can get a 13/14 GT500 cluster? I have a friend with a 2011 GT500 wanting to do the swap. Not having to much luck finding one so far. Thanks.
I can hook you up with mine. PM me for details.

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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kona12GT
Anyone know where I can get a 13/14 GT500 cluster? I have a friend with a 2011 GT500 wanting to do the swap. Not having to much luck finding one so far. Thanks.
I have seen a few on eBay the last year....they go quick though.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jp1seattle
I have seen a few on eBay the last year....they go quick though.
Yeah, I think I got lucky finding my 13 GT500 cluster that I installed in my 2012 GT. Only paid $330 for it.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 11:40 PM
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If you're patient, ebay does give deals. My first 13 cluster cost me $185 plus shipping. My second 13 cluster was $135.
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jim010
If you're patient, ebay does give deals. My first 13 cluster cost me $185 plus shipping. My second 13 cluster was $135.
True, but he is looking for a GT500 cluster. Those are rare.

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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LEXiiON
True, but he is looking for a GT500 cluster. Those are rare.

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Why is the Shelby cluster more desirable? Some of the functions on it we will not be able to use on our cars.
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jim010
Why is the Shelby cluster more desirable? Some of the functions on it we will not be able to use on our cars.
Well, his friend has a 2011 GT500, therefore a GT500 cluster. Kinda like BES ... and it works pretty well.

I want that working boost gauge in mine. Just waiting for Matt to finish the Octocoupler... then i have all the stuff i want (TrackApps will come later for sure).

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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 11:30 AM
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Got it.
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