Trackey for manual 2014 GT's manufactured after 7/1/2013
7/12/14, 06:07 PM
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I have to chime in, I read on ford racing website that the Boss exhaust system is a "recommended" upgrade when purchasing the Track key. It would make sense to me because the Boss Mustang is definitely built for the race track, and you would open up the exhaust dumps when using the track key to prevent the cats from being damaged and to take advantage of the tune.. This is my opinion but it seems to be logical. I plan on upgrading to the Boss exhaust before buying the track key. Also will only use track key with dumps open. I know this sucks for daily use but seems to be what everything was designed for in the first place for the Boss. Any thoughts are welcome if you think I'm way off base here.
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7/12/14, 06:09 PM
#342
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I think Pat's comment deserves consideration. Maybe the cats are not a choke point rather back pressure after the cats reduces flow through the cats? Probably not but it will be interesting to know when Ray and Mike from Ford Racing return if their GT test mule is running Boss side exhaust.
7/12/14, 06:11 PM
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I agree. Just wondering how many other recommendations are not being followed. Also wondering if the people making the tune really are doing it for pure stock applications or are they assuming people will follow the recommendations to get the best trouble free performance. I really don't think this track key was meant to be used for daily driving. I believe that was not the intent for the Boss nor is it for the GT. IMHO! Sorry if I sound like a broken record.
7/12/14, 06:29 PM
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Sorry for seeing this so late, Mike and I are out of town working a car show.
First of all sorry your kit did not come with the voucher. Call me on Monday morning and I will register the kit for you and you will have the tool on Tuesday.
Second, the Trackey absolutely did not cause the cats to plug up. There has been issues in mainstream Ford with cat problems before we were even selling our kit and that is why the cats are on backorder.
Third, we only recommend the side exhaust because the lopey idle sounds way better with it. It has nothing to do with back pressure in the system.
Fouth, our test mules at the shop do not have the side exhaust kit.
Ray
First of all sorry your kit did not come with the voucher. Call me on Monday morning and I will register the kit for you and you will have the tool on Tuesday.
Second, the Trackey absolutely did not cause the cats to plug up. There has been issues in mainstream Ford with cat problems before we were even selling our kit and that is why the cats are on backorder.
Third, we only recommend the side exhaust because the lopey idle sounds way better with it. It has nothing to do with back pressure in the system.
Fouth, our test mules at the shop do not have the side exhaust kit.
Ray
7/12/14, 06:48 PM
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Sorry for seeing this so late, Mike and I are out of town working a car show. First of all sorry your kit did not come with the voucher. Call me on Monday morning and I will register the kit for you and you will have the tool on Tuesday. Second, the Trackey absolutely did not cause the cats to plug up. There has been issues in mainstream Ford with cat problems before we were even selling our kit and that is why the cats are on backorder. Third, we only recommend the side exhaust because the lopey idle sounds way better with it. It has nothing to do with back pressure in the system. Fouth, our test mules at the shop do not have the side exhaust kit. Ray
7/12/14, 06:54 PM
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I am not sure where you are going with this but yes, that is exactly what is happening. If the cats failed within a couple hundred miles because of our calibration we would never have been able to get an EO from California..
7/12/14, 07:09 PM
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Sorry for seeing this so late, Mike and I are out of town working a car show. First of all sorry your kit did not come with the voucher. Call me on Monday morning and I will register the kit for you and you will have the tool on Tuesday. Second, the Trackey absolutely did not cause the cats to plug up. There has been issues in mainstream Ford with cat problems before we were even selling our kit and that is why the cats are on backorder. Third, we only recommend the side exhaust because the lopey idle sounds way better with it. It has nothing to do with back pressure in the system. Fouth, our test mules at the shop do not have the side exhaust kit. Ray
7/12/14, 07:25 PM
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This is the point where I stop second guessing, speculating, etc. and leave this to the people who have the facts. Ford Racing.
It would be helpful if all of us, particularly those that do not actually have a TracKey or Track Cal installed take a step back and let Ford Racing shake this out.
7/12/14, 07:26 PM
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Thanks for all the info Ray. I will also spread the info to the other forums as mentioned prior.
One thing I must say regarding new and revised part #'s... As an aftermarket installer I've come across issues with new part #'s causing problems with CARB EO #'s, especially in CA. For example our shop installed an LS3 EROD engine on a pollution controlled vehicle, and it turns out that the EO # had been updated to the "new" EROD part # which we did not have, since we bought an "early" production. General Motors actually had us re-serialize the engine block to the revised part # so the thing would pass the visual inspection with the referee.
If a new part # is released for the update and that part # supersedes the original, a new EO decal might be required.
May not be an issue in this case but I thought I would offer the information from our EROD debacle.
One thing I must say regarding new and revised part #'s... As an aftermarket installer I've come across issues with new part #'s causing problems with CARB EO #'s, especially in CA. For example our shop installed an LS3 EROD engine on a pollution controlled vehicle, and it turns out that the EO # had been updated to the "new" EROD part # which we did not have, since we bought an "early" production. General Motors actually had us re-serialize the engine block to the revised part # so the thing would pass the visual inspection with the referee.
If a new part # is released for the update and that part # supersedes the original, a new EO decal might be required.
May not be an issue in this case but I thought I would offer the information from our EROD debacle.
7/12/14, 07:45 PM
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That is exactly why I said "Probably not".
This is the point where I stop second guessing, speculating, etc. and leave this to the people who have the facts. Ford Racing.
It would be helpful if all of us, particularly those that do not actually have a TracKey or Track Cal installed take a step back and let Ford Racing shake this out.
This is the point where I stop second guessing, speculating, etc. and leave this to the people who have the facts. Ford Racing.
It would be helpful if all of us, particularly those that do not actually have a TracKey or Track Cal installed take a step back and let Ford Racing shake this out.
7/12/14, 07:51 PM
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I have to chime in, I read on ford racing website that the Boss exhaust system is a "recommended" upgrade when purchasing the Track key. It would make sense to me because the Boss Mustang is definitely built for the race track, and you would open up the exhaust dumps when using the track key to prevent the cats from being damaged and to take advantage of the tune.. This is my opinion but it seems to be logical. I plan on upgrading to the Boss exhaust before buying the track key. Also will only use track key with dumps open. I know this sucks for daily use but seems to be what everything was designed for in the first place for the Boss. Any thoughts are welcome if you think I'm way off base here.
7/12/14, 08:50 PM
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I'll summarize my thoughts. I'm a FRPP fan. However I'm not buying what they're trying to sell here. None of it makes any sense. And I'm allowed to voice that opinion so that others can make an informed decision to potentially avoid a headache.
So far everything I've thought has happened. I thought the cats might go, then cels started popping. I was weary of the "false cel" and now cats are actually getting clogged. If you want to believe that every person on here that has had a cel or experienced power loss or been told by the dealer that the cats are shot (plus all the other forums) always had bad cats from day one and they all just happened to go bad and pop cels days after installing this tune, and it has zero to do with the tune. Then I have some magic beans to sell you.
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7/13/14, 05:51 AM
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Believe me the last thing I want is to have to deal with cats being replaced.
But just to play devil's advocate:
At this point I've got almost 2,000 DDing miles on my Track Cal and I don't have any noticeable problem with cats.
But just to play devil's advocate:
At this point I've got almost 2,000 DDing miles on my Track Cal and I don't have any noticeable problem with cats.
7/13/14, 09:57 AM
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it would be nice for the update to allow for a default lopey idle off. it seems like it uses a little more gas and dont want to manually turn it off every morning when i use the car for commuting.
for us trackcal guys, an option on the tool to select which way we would like the idle to default would be great, because we cant switch between tunes as easy as the key people.
for us trackcal guys, an option on the tool to select which way we would like the idle to default would be great, because we cant switch between tunes as easy as the key people.
Is that because there will be an option in the setup menu titled Enable lopey idle program?
Seriously though, I would already have purchased the Track Cal except for having to disable lopey idle with every start. I really do want any performance and drivability improvements over the original Performance Cal though. I do not doubt that Ford Racing will handle the CEL and air conditioning issues but I just have no use for lopey idle.
7/13/14, 10:27 AM
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Is that because there will be an option in the setup menu titled Enable lopey idle program? Seriously though, I would already have purchased the Track Cal except for having to disable lopey idle with every start. I really do want any performance and drivability improvements over the original Performance Cal though. I do not doubt that Ford Racing will handle the CEL and air conditioning issues but I just have no use for lopey idle.
Seriously though, I would already have purchased the Track Cal except for having to disable lopey idle with every start. I really do want any performance and drivability improvements over the original Performance Cal though. I do not doubt that Ford Racing will handle the CEL and air conditioning issues but I just have no use for lopey idle.This is probably why FR won't ofer a disable on the lopey. Bc if you don't want it, they already have a separate cal without it.
7/13/14, 10:30 AM
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I admit I was angry last night from something unrelated and vented in a closed minded fashion. However, things still sound to convenient. If it was any other company saying this other than Ford Racing, would we still be giving as much benefit of the doubt?
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7/13/14, 10:54 AM
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So hey. It's totally possible that everyone is getting the cel due to the false error. And only some are actually getting failing cats due to it being bad from the factory.
I admit I was angry last night from something unrelated and vented in a closed minded fashion. However, things still sound to convenient. If it was any other company saying this other than Ford Racing, would we still be giving as much benefit of the doubt?
I can't be the only one who still wants this thing but needs more comfort that it won't hose my brand new machine. Probably gonna need at least a year with no reported problems for some of the more risk averse among us.
7/13/14, 11:05 AM
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Let's face it, everyone following this thread is hoping that it's a simple erroneous CEL and the vehicle damage to be unrelated but I think you are right to retain some healthy skepticism.
I can't be the only one who still wants this thing but needs more comfort that it won't hose my brand new machine. Probably gonna need at least a year with no reported problems for some of the more risk averse among us.