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Old 10/22/08, 09:55 PM
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From what I have read/ heard is that GM's main objective in getting Chrysler is basically to keep the Jeep brand and either dissolve or sell off the remaining Dodge/Chrysler brands to Nissan/Renault whom have also expressed interest in Chrysler. Keep in mind Nissan's next pickups will be based heavy on the new Dodge Ram and Dakota.
My question is this. Why doesn't Ford have an interest in acquiring Chrysler ? Seems to me that such an acquisition would actually benefit Ford in the long run.

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Maybe they see something the others don't?
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
My question is this. Why doesn't Ford have an interest in acquiring Chrysler ? Seems to me that such an acquisition would actually benefit Ford in the long run.
Nate, Ford doesn't need all their crap right now!! GM is IMO, crazy for doing this merger, and Rick Wagoner has become a very hated man in MANY CIRCLES for what he is doing!!

I for one, am glad they are staying out of it.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
My question is this. Why doesn't Ford have an interest in acquiring Chrysler ? Seems to me that such an acquisition would actually benefit Ford in the long run.
Yeah. Hemi power for the Mustang!





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They have their own powerplants.... they don't need the hemi at all.
Believe it.
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They have their own powerplants.... they don't need the hemi at all.
Believe it.
Well, maybe given Ford's stuttering progress with the Boss/Hurricane big V8 motor, perhaps acquiring the already and well developed Hemi motor family wouldn't be such a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by rhumb
Well, maybe given Ford's stuttering progress with the Boss/Hurricane big V8 motor, perhaps acquiring the already and well developed Hemi motor family wouldn't be such a bad thing.
That would be the dumbest move Ford ever made! You have to be kidding?
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Not sure why that would be so dumb. The Hemi motors seem purty darned nice to me, are fully developed and would serve the purported purposes of the yet-to-be-seen Boss motor pretty well (truck applications primarily).

Not sure what the downside would be as Ford could save a lot of money by fully ditching the Boss motor program, which they've already pared down to the bone apparently anyway.
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Originally Posted by rhumb
Not sure why that would be so dumb. The Hemi motors seem purty darned nice to me, are fully developed and would serve the purported purposes of the yet-to-be-seen Boss motor pretty well (truck applications primarily).

Not sure what the downside would be as Ford could save a lot of money by fully ditching the Boss motor program, which they've already pared down to the bone apparently anyway.
The boss has been in existence for a few years now and is almost ready to go into production. It would be a huge waste of money to can it now. Also the only thing that has been mentioned is that it will be used in the trucks to begin with. No word on whether it might be used in any other platform in the future.
The hemi, although having been produced for several years, gets horrible gas mileage, even with MDS. (Cylinder de-activation.) The 6.1 Hemi only makes 425 horsepower, yet the 5.0 will supposedly get 400 hp.
Lets talk simple marketing...no true Ford guy would buy a Hemi powered truck. Dodge Hemi that is, as we all know the Boss 429 had hemispherical heads. The hemi motor is lower on torque as well, higher in the revs.

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Originally Posted by 05fordgt
Nate, Ford doesn't need all their crap right now!! GM is IMO, crazy for doing this merger, and Rick Wagoner has become a very hated man in MANY CIRCLES for what he is doing!!

I for one, am glad they are staying out of it.
If GM some how manages to aquire Chrysler and does what it appears GM really wants to do (raze Chrysler for its cash reserves and possibly the mini-vans and jeep) I bet he along with GM will be even more reviled.
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While the boss has taken a while to come up with and how its said to be just for Trucks.
Pray that its where it stays... you don't want that motor in the stang.
Wasn't it suppose to come out soon? We haven't heard ANYTHING about that motor lately....
Hrmmm....makes ya think


I'd rather take the lighter/smaller/LESS THIRTSY alternatives down the road.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
My question is this. Why doesn't Ford have an interest in acquiring Chrysler ? Seems to me that such an acquisition would actually benefit Ford in the long run.
Originally Posted by 05fordgt
Nate, Ford doesn't need all their crap right now!! GM is IMO, crazy for doing this merger, and Rick Wagoner has become a very hated man in MANY CIRCLES for what he is doing!!

I for one, am glad they are staying out of it.

No offense Jeff, but just where in the hell do you see Nate's name listed anywhere under my Avatar ?

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I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, Pete.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
No offense Jeff, but just where in the hell do you see Nate's name listed anywhere under my Avatar ?
You both have red cars. All guys with red mustangs are now to be named Nate I guess.
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I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, Pete.
I'm sure it was too Pete, as I was just being sarcastic
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You both have red cars. All guys with red mustangs are now to be named Nate I guess.

+1 Gary
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Hemi vs MOD Motor

Originally Posted by rhumb
Not sure why that would be so dumb. The Hemi motors seem purty darned nice to me, are fully developed and would serve the purported purposes of the yet-to-be-seen Boss motor pretty well (truck applications primarily).

Not sure what the downside would be as Ford could save a lot of money by fully ditching the Boss motor program, which they've already pared down to the bone apparently anyway.
I have the aability to compare both the 06 Hemi and the 05 3 valve and Bullitt 4.6. Of the three cars, the best mileage is by far the Bullitt motor. Even with MDS, the Hemi doesn't get better mileage. (Could it be because the Charger is so heavy?) The Hemi is a pushrod motor, is not as smooth and sounds terrible. My biggest dissapointment with the Charger is it is either too quiet or that it has this funky gurgling missing sound at idle. Hot Rod magazine looked at the Hemi exhaust and said it is extremely heavy and restrictive because of all the resonating chambers to deal with the MDS. The biggest advantage of the Hemi is it has gobs of low end torque. No substitute for cubes. That said, I still think the 4.6 is a better motor.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
My question is this. Why doesn't Ford have an interest in acquiring Chrysler ? Seems to me that such an acquisition would actually benefit Ford in the long run.

I think it's because Cerberus wants to trade Chrysler for GMAC, something Ford doesn't have. The most recent news it saying that it is more likely to form an alliance with Nissan/Renault and possibly Fiat to share some global platforms.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
No offense Jeff, but just where in the hell do you see Nate's name listed anywhere under my Avatar ?
Rocky, my bad dude. I typed it out real quick, saw the Torch Red GT in the avatar, and didn't check after my post. Sorry bud!

BTW, any interest in heading to Carlisle in 2009 for All-Fords with my club? We'll have a tent to hang out under?


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