Ford responds to the NHTSA investigation/MT-82 problems: your fault
11/19/11, 10:25 PM
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Wake up man. One out of two is not bad I dont guess. Those are not good odds for spending 35K. I know that is not reality but what really are the chances of getting a bad one? 3 percent that Ford says
? I doubt that number big time.
How it will hold up is the question and I stand by my word it is Chinese Junk. Lets see this bad boy out last a tr 6060. Not going to happen. Its engineered on the edge of longevity but time will tell.
? I doubt that number big time. How it will hold up is the question and I stand by my word it is Chinese Junk. Lets see this bad boy out last a tr 6060. Not going to happen. Its engineered on the edge of longevity but time will tell.
11/19/11, 10:33 PM
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I do not see what chinese parts have to do with anything. That whole way of thinking is so out dated it makes my head meat hurt. The quality of things for sale today is far better then the crap that any auto maker put out in the 1980s or even the 1990s. All of these things under go the same tests and pass though the same governing bodies. I hate to break it to you but you really are in a old mind set that just is not true anymore. Simple things like physics are the same for all engineers, companies, people and yes even nations.
I work for a very good American company that has a office or plant on every continent and Region on the planet. I work with engineers and do all sorts of R&D. I have seen what it takes to get products approved in the USA, EU Asian markets and the Americans just to name a few. Keep in mind that I work in the medical field so our products go though far more scrutiny then most if not all. I would have to say the the EU and asian markets take more time and require more filings and more action for submissions.
I work for a very good American company that has a office or plant on every continent and Region on the planet. I work with engineers and do all sorts of R&D. I have seen what it takes to get products approved in the USA, EU Asian markets and the Americans just to name a few. Keep in mind that I work in the medical field so our products go though far more scrutiny then most if not all. I would have to say the the EU and asian markets take more time and require more filings and more action for submissions.
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11/19/11, 10:46 PM
#183
Originally Posted by chevys
Wake up man. One out of two is not bad I dont guess. Those are not good odds for spending 35K. I know that is not reality but what really are the chances of getting a bad one? 3 percent that Ford says? I doubt that number big time.
How it will hold up is the question and I stand by my word it is Chinese Junk. Lets see this bad boy out last a tr 6060. Not going to happen. Its engineered on the edge of longevity but time will tell.
Im tired of the debate and am old enough to see a farce going down. Ford has dropped the ball and may have lost a customer for their sorry *** explanation and service. Let the chips fall where they may and maybe Ford wonders why Mustang sales are still behind the Camaro. The China made MT 82 is not helping them that is for sure. What a bunch of idiots. Nice work Ford.
? I doubt that number big time.How it will hold up is the question and I stand by my word it is Chinese Junk. Lets see this bad boy out last a tr 6060. Not going to happen. Its engineered on the edge of longevity but time will tell.
Im tired of the debate and am old enough to see a farce going down. Ford has dropped the ball and may have lost a customer for their sorry *** explanation and service. Let the chips fall where they may and maybe Ford wonders why Mustang sales are still behind the Camaro. The China made MT 82 is not helping them that is for sure. What a bunch of idiots. Nice work Ford.
11/20/11, 12:49 AM
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I work for a very good American company that has a office or plant on every continent and Region on the planet. I work with engineers and do all sorts of R&D. I have seen what it takes to get products approved in the USA, EU Asian markets and the Americans just to name a few. Keep in mind that I work in the medical field so our products go though far more scrutiny then most if not all. I would have to say the the EU and asian markets take more time and require more filings and more action for submissions
I too have had product and parts made world wide. But that won't stop useful misconceptions. Getrag runs the show. They have their people in China. They make the hard parts in house too. About all I can find that they source are bearings. Probably seals and other misc off the shelf stuff too. I think I determined the bearing supplier, a chinese one, but they sell bearings to automakers in the USA so made in the USA product may have the same bearings.
There's grades of made in China. Getrag is using the highest grade possible. Which is essentially about the same risk (mistakes, people who are careless, etc) as anywhere else in the world.
No lets not do that. But as a certified ASE master technician, some chump "consumer" comes to me telling me what is wrong with his car because he found a thread in a forum. Do you really think that this "consumer" will be taken seriously? The "consumer" works in an office and the technician works on cars every day.
The point to this small rant is: Be mindful of how you approach your service department with a problem. You are at their mercy and some of these guys show no mercy.
The point to this small rant is: Be mindful of how you approach your service department with a problem. You are at their mercy and some of these guys show no mercy.
If a tech or service write laughs at me or doesn't take me seriously he doesn't get my business. I don't bring a car in unless I've diagnosed the problem and determined that I either don't want to fix it myself or it's too big of a job for me to do in the cold of winter. I have yet to be wrong. Some day maybe I will be, but I haven't been wrong yet.
That's a LOT of changes in to a drivetrain in a year. I mean, seriously, welding issues with gears in China. Also, the docs state there have been repairs to 3% of 2011/2012 vehicles. That doesn't even count folks who didn't take it in and are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a fix.
11/20/11, 04:54 AM
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Ran across this by chance while searching for another thread:
Just checking back in. I am back on the road with my new alternator. Everything seems fine and all is good 300 dollars later. There is no excuse for an alternator going bad as quickly as mine did and I hope Ford reads this. I love them to death but this is why I swore off of GM. Its stuff like this that gets under my skin. Ford, you failed this time and I hope to God you have or will address things like this. I know you can be everything to everybody but when an alternator fails at 20K mile that is not right and not fair to the custormer. GM put junk alternaters on cars and trucks for years. I know this for a fact. I owned a bunch of them and replaced them all the time but they at least lasted about 40K miles. I hated those days. I could not take a trip without worrying about something going wrong. Please step up your game Ford. YOu are better than this.
I am venting in hopes somebody at Ford will read this. Please quit cutting corners and give us a good alternator to begin with!!!!!!!! Remember that saying that quauity is JOB 1? Live up to it and put out better products. I love Ford but sometimes I get frustrated.
I want this to land on Alan Mulallys desk. This is the sort of thing that made people to got to Toyota and nISSAN. Remember that?? I bet Ford does or do they need to be reminded?? Please step up up your game Ford. I have a lot of convidence in you. Lets kill them with world class. You can do it. Give it your b est shot. I am with you and behind you despite my troubles. Go for it. Please just wake up. I know you have and that is my frustration for my prev ious comment. Sorry.
Lets go get them FOMOCO.
https://themustangsource.com/f739/check-charging-system-481232/#post5830506
I am venting in hopes somebody at Ford will read this. Please quit cutting corners and give us a good alternator to begin with!!!!!!!! Remember that saying that quauity is JOB 1? Live up to it and put out better products. I love Ford but sometimes I get frustrated.
I want this to land on Alan Mulallys desk. This is the sort of thing that made people to got to Toyota and nISSAN. Remember that?? I bet Ford does or do they need to be reminded?? Please step up up your game Ford. I have a lot of convidence in you. Lets kill them with world class. You can do it. Give it your b est shot. I am with you and behind you despite my troubles. Go for it. Please just wake up. I know you have and that is my frustration for my prev ious comment. Sorry.
Lets go get them FOMOCO.
https://themustangsource.com/f739/check-charging-system-481232/#post5830506
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11/20/11, 11:18 AM
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Chevys, you do realize it's a business right? Ford is in it to make money. Every piece of every car they make is as cheap as they can possibly make it, without it being complete ****. And that's true for all of the big automakers and most businesses around. A product that is really built with quality in mind and built to be the best, is going to cost more than most people can afford or care to spend on said product.
There's absolutely no reason to doubt the MT82's long term durability. There's just not. Again, I point out that you're basing your entire argument on 2 test drives.
As far as Ford losing you as a customer...I'm sure that's fine. I work retail, and you're what I consider an all around bad customer. You treat the brand like ****, you treat the employees like ****, and all you do is *****. At the end of the day, you cost the business more money than you bring them in...So they're better off without having you as a customer.
There's absolutely no reason to doubt the MT82's long term durability. There's just not. Again, I point out that you're basing your entire argument on 2 test drives.
As far as Ford losing you as a customer...I'm sure that's fine. I work retail, and you're what I consider an all around bad customer. You treat the brand like ****, you treat the employees like ****, and all you do is *****. At the end of the day, you cost the business more money than you bring them in...So they're better off without having you as a customer.
11/20/11, 02:29 PM
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heres what I made out of it
1. very small percentage had this problem
2. they weren't shifting properly
3. they customized their cars in a way that put a strain on the transmission
4. and this voided their warranty
5. they took online forums too seriously
1. very small percentage had this problem
2. they weren't shifting properly
3. they customized their cars in a way that put a strain on the transmission
4. and this voided their warranty
5. they took online forums too seriously
11/21/11, 03:11 AM
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It's funny how poeple can be side line experts think they can do it better but never can.
Had a few going around even telling poeple who didn't have problems to make report. Thinking it going to force FORD into recall or make Gov do it for them. Now there just pissed nothing happening because there supposed thousands of cars turned out to be a few.
ALL manufactures try to build things cheap as possible yet with long term durability. No Manufacturer will never please every customer no matter what impossible feat. I truely believe JM his car doesn't have problem it's just him from other cars he's had problem with. I think narrow gates and skip shift cause of his problems refused to learn how to drive it instead of driving it like past vehicles he's had.
Had a few going around even telling poeple who didn't have problems to make report. Thinking it going to force FORD into recall or make Gov do it for them. Now there just pissed nothing happening because there supposed thousands of cars turned out to be a few.
ALL manufactures try to build things cheap as possible yet with long term durability. No Manufacturer will never please every customer no matter what impossible feat. I truely believe JM his car doesn't have problem it's just him from other cars he's had problem with. I think narrow gates and skip shift cause of his problems refused to learn how to drive it instead of driving it like past vehicles he's had.
11/30/11, 04:41 PM
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MT-82 problems: your fault (new article 11-2011)
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/ford-def...omplaints.html
"The automaker says the bulk of complaints come from an “increased social media focus by a couple of dissatisfied customers,” along with “improper vehicle modifications” and signs of vehicle abuse — like rear tires worn more than front tires from burnouts. It also says "customer unfamiliarity" with the differences between the 6-speed and former 5-speed transmission, along with a skip-shift feature to boost fuel economy, added to the complaints."
"The automaker says the bulk of complaints come from an “increased social media focus by a couple of dissatisfied customers,” along with “improper vehicle modifications” and signs of vehicle abuse — like rear tires worn more than front tires from burnouts. It also says "customer unfamiliarity" with the differences between the 6-speed and former 5-speed transmission, along with a skip-shift feature to boost fuel economy, added to the complaints."
11/30/11, 09:56 PM
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http://autos.yahoo.com/news/ford-def...omplaints.html
"The automaker says the bulk of complaints come from an “increased social media focus by a couple of dissatisfied customers,” along with “improper vehicle modifications” and signs of vehicle abuse — like rear tires worn more than front tires from burnouts. It also says "customer unfamiliarity" with the differences between the 6-speed and former 5-speed transmission, along with a skip-shift feature to boost fuel economy, added to the complaints."
"The automaker says the bulk of complaints come from an “increased social media focus by a couple of dissatisfied customers,” along with “improper vehicle modifications” and signs of vehicle abuse — like rear tires worn more than front tires from burnouts. It also says "customer unfamiliarity" with the differences between the 6-speed and former 5-speed transmission, along with a skip-shift feature to boost fuel economy, added to the complaints."
I've noticed Ford is now more willing to attack their customers. I guess the customer is always right need not apply at Ford.
11/30/11, 10:12 PM
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you know, this skip feature thing... I've seen the note pop up on my dash occasionally, 1-4, but I just ignore it, and go from 1 - 2. So what am I missing here? Why are folks so concerned about the skip shift?