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Nope, I say do what you can afford to do as far as mods or tracking is concerned.
But, with everything that has been said you guys need to let us have our say. It's as if we are keeping you from getting your cars fixed. That is absolutely false. I've tried to have discussions on the issue with two people in particular and they go into attack mode. I was called a troll and a fanboy numerous times for simply stating that my cars were in fine when the transmission threads kept popping up. It is as if we are the ones causing Ford not to react. I left that forum and came over here because I was not chastised about it every time I turned a corner. That is until matero posted this thread.
I'll say it one more time. I really hope you get your cars repaired. As far as supporting Matero and his quest. I can't and won't do that. I have no reason to.
But, with everything that has been said you guys need to let us have our say. It's as if we are keeping you from getting your cars fixed. That is absolutely false. I've tried to have discussions on the issue with two people in particular and they go into attack mode. I was called a troll and a fanboy numerous times for simply stating that my cars were in fine when the transmission threads kept popping up. It is as if we are the ones causing Ford not to react. I left that forum and came over here because I was not chastised about it every time I turned a corner. That is until matero posted this thread.
I'll say it one more time. I really hope you get your cars repaired. As far as supporting Matero and his quest. I can't and won't do that. I have no reason to.
Abused? The car has 412HP. Are we not suppose to drive it, track it, because it will break? Then why even build it to begin with? Same logic can apply both ways.
Either way, it just bugs me that you guys downplay the issue. My dealership alone has done over 30 fluid swaps since February. Mind you, when I called they told me they didn't even have it in stock and I would be the first one to get it done. 2 months later, 30 cars. That's one dealership, that has at least 10 different Ford dealers within a 20 mile radius.
You will see MANY more issues, once winter rolls around. Mine started in cold, rough shift and grind. Someone developed it after 10k miles. Transmission whining is not a normal characteristic. We had someone report that a Ford engineer drove his 12 stang with a whining tranny and they confirmed it was not normal.
We just want a fix, to be honest. This issue is big enough to get attention and it should. People in cold feel it more than people down south. However, we have a lot of people reporting from Florida and SoCal as well with multiple tranny issues.
Do some research, and not just on JMateros thread but over 200 threads at allfordmustangs.com with multiple members.
Either way, it just bugs me that you guys downplay the issue. My dealership alone has done over 30 fluid swaps since February. Mind you, when I called they told me they didn't even have it in stock and I would be the first one to get it done. 2 months later, 30 cars. That's one dealership, that has at least 10 different Ford dealers within a 20 mile radius.
You will see MANY more issues, once winter rolls around. Mine started in cold, rough shift and grind. Someone developed it after 10k miles. Transmission whining is not a normal characteristic. We had someone report that a Ford engineer drove his 12 stang with a whining tranny and they confirmed it was not normal.
We just want a fix, to be honest. This issue is big enough to get attention and it should. People in cold feel it more than people down south. However, we have a lot of people reporting from Florida and SoCal as well with multiple tranny issues.
Do some research, and not just on JMateros thread but over 200 threads at allfordmustangs.com with multiple members.
Nope, I say do what you can afford to do as far as mods or tracking is concerned.
But, with everything that has been said you guys need to let us have our say. It's as if we are keeping you from getting your cars fixed. That is absolutely false. I've tried to have discussions on the issue with two people in particular and they go into attack mode. I was called a troll and a fanboy numerous times for simply stating that my cars were in fine when the transmission threads kept popping up. It is as if we are the ones causing Ford not to react. I left that forum and came over here because I was not chastised about it every time I turned a corner. That is until matero posted this thread.
I'll say it one more time. I really hope you get your cars repaired. As far as supporting Matero and his quest. I can't and won't do that. I have no reason to.
But, with everything that has been said you guys need to let us have our say. It's as if we are keeping you from getting your cars fixed. That is absolutely false. I've tried to have discussions on the issue with two people in particular and they go into attack mode. I was called a troll and a fanboy numerous times for simply stating that my cars were in fine when the transmission threads kept popping up. It is as if we are the ones causing Ford not to react. I left that forum and came over here because I was not chastised about it every time I turned a corner. That is until matero posted this thread.
I'll say it one more time. I really hope you get your cars repaired. As far as supporting Matero and his quest. I can't and won't do that. I have no reason to.
beerbarrel, don't let ssimanic get you down. He is part of jmatero's crew, and one of the obnoxiously vocal, misguided minority.
Only 1 of 2 things happened to that transmission and I bet it's the latter:
1) A practically one-off manufacturing/assembly defect that caused catastrophically bad alignment/interaction of internal components.
2) Epic abuse, either related to forcing into 2nd repeatedly under "normal" driving, or abuse under acceleration. Possibly even abusive/erroneous downshifting, like downshifting from 6th to 2nd when really wanted to hit 4th, or hitting 1st when you wanted to hit 3rd. Do not believe for one fraction of a second that those pictures are indicative of some sort of overall design flaw with the MT-82. More sensationalist garbage.
Only 1 of 2 things happened to that transmission and I bet it's the latter:
1) A practically one-off manufacturing/assembly defect that caused catastrophically bad alignment/interaction of internal components.
2) Epic abuse, either related to forcing into 2nd repeatedly under "normal" driving, or abuse under acceleration. Possibly even abusive/erroneous downshifting, like downshifting from 6th to 2nd when really wanted to hit 4th, or hitting 1st when you wanted to hit 3rd. Do not believe for one fraction of a second that those pictures are indicative of some sort of overall design flaw with the MT-82. More sensationalist garbage.
Thanks guys for the support....something that is way lacking over at AFM. I guess bigger is not always better!
I guess I need to back out of this thread and try and be productive in other threads.....maybe it's time to just lurk for awhile.
I guess I need to back out of this thread and try and be productive in other threads.....maybe it's time to just lurk for awhile.
Thank you TMS members!
I was afraid that the chicken littles had taken over the '10+ section. But the vast majority of you have reaffirmed the fact that logic and a little skepticism still prevail.
TMS still rules
I was afraid that the chicken littles had taken over the '10+ section. But the vast majority of you have reaffirmed the fact that logic and a little skepticism still prevail.
TMS still rules
As I mentioned in a previous post, this is the only Mustang forum I belong to. I visit AFM for laughs but would never register there. TMS is like a cool local pub compared to AFM, which is more like a middle school gym filled with retards, especially that cesspool of thread about transmission problems, which jmatero, ssimanic, and the rest of the crones keep on life support.
Everyone needs to calm down. If you aren't having a problem and love your car, stay out of the thread. If you're having a problem and feel this is the appropriate way to handle this, feel free to contribute and get involved. It's that simple.
Sometimes I have to laugh.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
No.
Someone has to combat the sheer amount (and intensity) of stupidity and hysteria that is flying around. It cannot go uncorrected. AFM Tech section is already devolving into Camaro5-quality, and I'd rather not see it happen here on account of a few loose screws like jmatero & company.
Sometimes I have to laugh.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
No.
Someone has to combat the sheer amount (and intensity) of stupidity and hysteria that is flying around. It cannot go uncorrected. AFM Tech section is already devolving into Camaro5-quality, and I'd rather not see it happen here on account of a few loose screws like jmatero & company.
Someone has to combat the sheer amount (and intensity) of stupidity and hysteria that is flying around. It cannot go uncorrected. AFM Tech section is already devolving into Camaro5-quality, and I'd rather not see it happen here on account of a few loose screws like jmatero & company.
Sometimes I have to laugh.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
Sometimes I have to laugh.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
Not that people aren't having legitimate problems with vehicles,
but we all are taking words at face value, and not hearing or knowing the real story. People have a right to be scheptical.
We honestly have NO idea how good or bad a transmission was treated prior to any issues with it. Variety of variables with a variety of turnouts. You can't fault Ford for the most part (and I'm talking dealerships here) trying to exhaust all efforts to diagnose, remedy and fix issues that may or may not be legitimate manufacturer defects or user error.
I VERY HIGHLY DOUBT the issues that some are experiencing are as rampant as suggested. I really do think the legitimate issues are blown out of proportion.
Out of how many of the actual transmission problems (lets say even 3%) were NOT driver error/abuse issues?
No one can come in here and start spouting numbers, its all just made up.
The only numbers that you can't change are the ammount of cars actually produced with the manual transmission, all else (unless you are ford) is just heresay or guesswork.
Trying to go after Ford for replacing a tranny that could have been caused by user error is like me trying to get my car replaced because I threw my car into a ditch claiming I should have been told how to work a stearing wheel.
After viewing this thread I don't see anyone using speech/language that isn't responsible.
If you are inferring that those with differing options than yourself need to be silenced…….
Then my friend you need to relook your priorities in life and where you stand on the fundamentals of why you can post your comments on a free and open forum.
Speech isn’t free, responsible speech is, so less talk about shutting down those that differ in the take on issues with the Mustang’s MT82.
I though I’d add this.
Ok total 2011 Mustang Production was 68,650
6-SPEED MANUAL TRANS MT82 31.71% of total Mustang production numbers
21,762 Mustang were equipped with the MT82
If 3% had problems that would be 712 cars
Don’t have the numbers for this year but assuming they are close to last year then, MAYBE for two years doubling the numbers bring us to
2011 68,650
2012 68,000
42,000 with the MT82 3% brings the total numbers to 1400 cars.
Now that is a lot but of that number who is still having problems?
If 5 to 10 percent of that number are still having problems that number is wait for it…………..10% or about 140 cars…………….out of 42,000 cars……………now that percentage is about .33%
Look I was stations in California for four years and I did Lemon Law on a Jeep, if Ford denied your petition to Lemon Law the car go to the next step...... The Arbitration Board Quit Stirring Up…………………… Stuff!
Go to the next step..............
Ok total 2011 Mustang Production was 68,650
6-SPEED MANUAL TRANS MT82 31.71% of total Mustang production numbers
21,762 Mustang were equipped with the MT82
If 3% had problems that would be 712 cars
Don’t have the numbers for this year but assuming they are close to last year then, MAYBE for two years doubling the numbers bring us to
2011 68,650
2012 68,000
42,000 with the MT82 3% brings the total numbers to 1400 cars.
Now that is a lot but of that number who is still having problems?
If 5 to 10 percent of that number are still having problems that number is wait for it…………..10% or about 140 cars…………….out of 42,000 cars……………now that percentage is about .33%
Look I was stations in California for four years and I did Lemon Law on a Jeep, if Ford denied your petition to Lemon Law the car go to the next step...... The Arbitration Board Quit Stirring Up…………………… Stuff!
Go to the next step..............
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