Originally Posted by Adam

The TR-3650 never generated this many faulty transmission threads...

Originally Posted by Tony Alonso

The T3650 was notorious for grinding the first 2 years in its production cycle. Having had a 2000 GT and 2003 Mach 1, as well as knowing many 2001 Bullitt owners, this scenario seems quite similar.

There was a TSB for a gear rebuild that was released, but it came after about 2 model years into the run. If I remember correctly, improved synchros were a part of that fix.

I had a new T3650 put into my '03 Mach after an attempt was made to rebuild and reverse gear no longer worked.

Originally Posted by chevys

I have no confidence in this China transmission and wont be buying one anytime soon. IN fact, I probably wont be buying a Ford anytime soon.

Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy

You sure got that twisted around. They were speculating about who made the very funny YouTube video and I mentioned that you might have done it; nothing about any threats.

Originally Posted by chevys

I drove a new 2012 Gt back to back with my Mach 1. The 2012 had about 4K miles on it and my Mach has 76K. Both are stock down to the paper air filter.

The new Gt has a 1-2 clunk similar to a 3650 when cold. The 2-3 was better but not quite right imo. It still took more effort than you would think it should. My opinion was backed up by the owner of new 2012 GT. His opinion was the same. IN defense of the MT82 it was buttery smooth in all of the other gears. I expected better and my expectations are not that high. Fail, and Im not impressed.

Before anybody plays the I cant drive a straight shift card I have probably been driving them before some of you were born. I have never in my life torn one up. Im not an engineer or mechanic but it says something when I have 76 K on a Mach with zero issues. I dont baby it but its not beat on either. This is the tip of the ice burg to be honest. I know how to drive.

The Mt82 has some quirks. My friends would pass the Ford sniff test and he would be on h
is way. But what happens when he reaches 50K miles and it really starts to give him trouble? That is my fear. I keep cars a long time and drive them out.

I have no confidence in this China transmission and wont be buying one anytime soon. IN fact, I probably wont be buying a Ford anytime soon. If this is the way they want to do business then I can spend my money elsewhere. I have plenty of choices.

IM sad that Ford has taken the low road on this. I love this company and the Mustang but I can only go so far. They have crapped out and avoided what is a serious issue. Good for them. It just cost them a sale on my next car. It PAINS me to say this.

Change is constant. I know this. ONe of the few people I have confdence in is Alan Mualally. Any chance we could write to him? He seems like a decent guy who cares. Does anybody know how to get alhold of him? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Rather B.Blown

I've owned more Ford products than I can count (literally)...

Originally Posted by JeffInDFW

I'm an outsider. I don't have a dog in this fight. My opinion?

I saw a post on a Mustang forum where a guy was talking about how his power window motor had broken and was being replaced. **IS THERE AN OUTCRY OVER MUSTANG POWER WINDOW MOTORS?** No.

I saw the dude whos glove box door would not stay shut. **IS THERE AN OUTCRY OVER MUSTANG GLOVE BOX DOORS?** No.

There were several people in one thread that had rust in the same spot on their trunk lid. **IS THERE AN OUTCRY OVER MUSTANG RUSTY TRUNKS?** No.

Every car produced will have random little failures that pop up on a few cars, like the examples above. People get them fixed under warranty, and move on.

On other cars, there is a systematic failure of the same part on a large enough percentage of vehicles that it becomes obvious this is not a typical "random" failure. There were SHO Tarus that did not have a camshaft issue, and those owners raised hell that nothing was wrong. BUT, time proved that there was indeed a real problem with a large percentage of them. GM V6 plastic intake manifold gaskets failed at an alarming rate. And.....there are enough Mustang owners with this same transmission having the same issue that it is no longer a "random, rare" event. There are now enough of this failure that it goes beyond the "random". There is something here. I don't know what it is, but those who try to dismiss it as "background noise" are kidding themselves.

This may resolve in any number of unexpected ways. It could end up that there were a number of different small issues at play. Problems that we think today "are exactly alike" end up being totally different. On the LT1 Z28s, there was a real problem with rear transmission seals and pinion seals leaking. Some cars never had a single leak, while others were going thru 4-5 of each seal under warranty....Over and over! Nobody put the two together for a long time. Finally, it was someone with the showroom stock racing program that figured out that the stock driveshafts were UNBALANCED. So, if you got one that happened to be close to true, you never had a problem. But, the more out of balance YOURS just happened to be, the more often you would have your pinion and rear transmission seal fail! So, the solution to the seals failing was to install the 1LE aluminum driveshaft under warranty. An unrelated part, solving a mystery failure in a totally different part.

I tell that story to make the point that sometimes it takes time to figure out the real problem. Who knows what the solution here will be....BUT, there IS a real problem.

Thats my opinion.

Originally Posted by cdynaco

Its not a Ford, its a Getrag. They have a good reputation going back to the 70's that I personally know of.

That someone isn't inspecting and demanding QC from the China plant is the root of the issue.

I am confident - based on decades & several hundreds of thousands of miles of trouble free Ford products personally - that they will resolve this issue. The fact that it is taking longer demonstrates that it is not the majority, and that they are having difficulty replicating the failure often enough to identify the true issue.

Keep taking it back and getting your issue logged with your Dealer so when the real fix comes, you're in the loop for a warranty fix.

Originally Posted by chevys

I hear you but Ford approved the engineering in the end and are responsible for the parts they sell. I hope you are right but this has been going on a long time. When a 2012 does not shift as well as a 2003 with a few miles on it you have to scratch your head. Im quite certain that some cars are way better than the one I drove.

If this happens to me randomly then its very possible I could get a new one with issues. I would dismiss it but its a known issue by now. I know nothing is perfect and you can expect some issues. Im not willing to take a 35 thousand dollar chance on it. Its not like the glove box doesnt close up right. You have to row the gears back and forth every single time you get in the car.

I just hope Ford man's up and fixes these things. Perhaps some of it is over blown but I know how I would feel if I had major issues that were not being fixed.

Originally Posted by Tony Alonso

If there is something that has been discovered in the manufacturing at this point, I would assume that any sort of correction would potentially be in the works at this moment. In fact, I believe some have posted this is the case.

When the T3650s were first found to have problems, it took about 12-14 months before we started seeing gear fix kits.

I am in no way minimizing anyone's issues. I totally understand the frustration with a new car with problems. I had my 2000 GT in the shop multiple times for clutch pedal rattles and fit and finish issues. They absolutely are maddening.

My conjecture is that something like this takes time to isolate and correct, especially since there are multiple organizational entities involved across 3 timezones.

Again, I really do feel for people experiencing the difficulties. Hopefully it will become clear what corrections are needed. Also, I hope that there is some broad scale communication so that people know something has been recognized and done.

Since many people bash GM and Chrysler on their quality, who else would people really turn to for another vehicle in this same class? Having talked to the engineers who have worked on Mustang over the years, to a fault, everyone one of them had a high degree of pride and concern for making the car the best that it can be.

Remember the 1999 SVT Cobra engine power issues? It took Ford a bit, but they went and corrected EVERY Cobra that was sold with an intake, exhaust, and a computer reflash.

Hopefully this will come to a positive conclusion relatively soon.

Originally Posted by Jcint

I did not read thru this thread, THIS GUY IS CRAZY!!!! He had a thread before about issues he had with his mustang and he was COUGHT out there on other forums stating he had issues with EVERy CAR HE'S OWNED!! After he was called out he stopped posting for awhile, with that said.... Every car is different, some have electrical problems, some have clutch issues. It happens! I just had my power seat changed on my 2011. THIS GUY had a problem with all his cars. I think someone found he had a chevy, toyota, and some other car and in each one he had issues.

Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy

So you know someone who's brother's cousin's accountant's hairdresser told her, right?

Post links to those other brand forum threads if its true. Your post went off the tracks when it got to "I think someone found...."

Originally Posted by wonger

There is already a link in this thread to a Saturn thread were he was having the same issues about not being able to get into first gear and grinding. Eerily familiar.

Originally Posted by Jcint

I did not read thru this thread, THIS GUY IS CRAZY!!!! He had a thread before about issues he had with his mustang and he was COUGHT out there on other forums stating he had issues with EVERy CAR HE'S OWNED!! After he was called out he stopped posting for awhile, with that said.... Every car is different, some have electrical problems, some have clutch issues. It happens! I just had my power seat changed on my 2011. THIS GUY had a problem with all his cars. I think someone found he had a chevy, toyota, and some other car and in each one he had issues.
MY 2011 RUNS GREAT, 14k and im loving it!