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I have not heard from Zeroaviation in some time, so I don't know what he has on his end. But if there is anyone out there that can contribute to this on a hardware/software level, let me know.
1) On the 2005 cluster, the airbag indicator and seat belt indicator and tone (24 and 23 on the plug for 2005) come from the RCM. The 2013/14 must be receiving these signals through the CANbus.
Result - no airbag warning light, no seat belt warning light, no seat belt chime
Fix - Black Box - plug these wires into the BB and then send the proper signals to the cluster via HSCAN wires, as the cluster expects.
Airbag and seat belt signal identified.
2) Traction control indicator is a signal and return on the 2005 and so are 2 separate wires. But it is only 1 wire for 2013/14. Result - traction control warning light is always on. TCS is off and can't be turned on?
Fix - Black Box - plug these wires into the BB and then send the proper signal to the cluster to pin 7 on the cluster.
Traction Control and ABS signal identified.
3) The key in the ignition warning on the 2005 goes straight to the cluster to pin 13. On the 2013/14, it goes to the SJB on C2280B pin#35. Info must be sent via CANbus again.
Result - IDK
Fix - Black Box - plug the wire into the BB and then send the proper signal via the HSCAN wires to the cluster.
4) PATS is in the cluster for 2013/14 and is pin# 22 and 23. Don't need these, so don't worry about it. Car will start without it.
Result - the car & lock warning light keep flashing when car is on. No PATS?
Fix - IDK - maybe turn off PATS altogether? Or BB can somehow keep PATS working.
5) On the 2013/14 cluster, pin# 9 and 10 are for a compass.
Result - IDK
Fix - get the 10-14 autodimming mirror with compass and wire it straight to the cluster pin#9 and 10. Or leave it alone.
6) Oil pressure goes direct to the 2013/14 cluster into pin# 5. On the 2005, it goes to the SJB on C2280C pin# 42. Maybe disconnecting it to the SJB and rewiring it to go to the cluster will work? Otherwise, once again the info is sent via CANbus.
Result - no oil pressure reading
Fix - reroute the wire going to pin#42 on C2280C on the SJB. Run it to the connector on the cluster pin #5. Not sure if the reading is accurate, but seems to be.
Oil Pressure signal identified and mapped
7) Fuel level is also sent directly to the cluster in 2013/14. In 2005 it goes to the SJB (C2280C pin# 31, 43, 44) and then CANbus to the cluster. Again I am thinking of disconnecting the wires to the SJB and rewiring them to go to the cluster instead.
Result - no fuel reading or anything associated with fuel, like average fuel consumption, km to empty etc,
Fix - reroute the wires going to the SJB to the cluster instead as shown below:
On C2280C, pin #43 is the signal for the fuel level sensor. That will go to pin# 18 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin# 31 is the return for the fuel level sensor. That goes to pin# 19 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin# 44 is the signal for the fuel pump (fuel sender). That goes to pin# 15 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin#31 is also the return for the fuel pump (fuel sender). It goes to pin# 16 on the cluster.
The reading is not accurate, though. Lexiion says that a 2010 fuel pump and sensors are needed for this. Seems he is right.
Fuel level signal identified and mapped.
8) There is no overdrive indicator on the 13/14 cluster, only hill assist indicator.
Result - hill assist does not light up.
Fix - IDK - Maybe hill assist can be changed to light up as O/D via the BB?
9) cruise control light - cruise will not work right as the resistances in the 13/14 switch are completely different, and there is a new function as well.
Result - no cruise control
Fix - The circuit board of the 13/14 switch needs to have the resistances changed to make it work almost 100%. I already have a solution for this in another thread for this, but to get the cruise lights to turn on, a module will need to be included in the BB to make the proper signals and send them via HSCAN wires.
10) parking brake light is always on
Result - parking brake warning light is always on.
Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.
Parking Brake signal identified and mapped.
11) Trunk ajar warning does not work.
Result - car gives no warning that the trunk is open.
Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.
12) TPMS has no signal as 05 didn't have TPMS.
Result - TPMS warning light is always on.
Fix - ignore or get TPMS sensors and the TPMS module for 07-09 cars?
13) High Beam indicator not working
Result - when high beam is selected, the high beam indicator will not light up. Headlights and high beams still function as they should, however.
Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.
14) extra digital guages, such as air inlet temp, air/fuel ratio, cylinder head temp, tranny temp will not work as the signals from the PCM are not recognized by the cluster.
Result - no readings for those digital guages
Fix - Black Box can reinterpret the signals on the HSCAN wires. Or you can flash the cluster using a 2010 VIN to remove those guages.
15) Track Apps won't work. Lexiion is currently trying to get this to work in his 2010 car, but even though he got the 13/14 ABS module, he still can't get it to work. I think not possible for 05-09 cars.
Result - track apps will display but not be functional.
Fix - Flash the cluster to that of a 10 car. Then Track Apps will be removed from the menu altogether. Or BB could have the sensors built into it and send this to cluster via HSCAN wires.
16) Cluster is in night mode and can't be changed to daytime mode.
Result - cluster will always be in night time mode
Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret signal on HSCAN wires.
17) Steering selection and ambient lighting are selectable on the cluster, but not available on the car.
Result - you can select these options, but will get nothing.
Fix - you can flash the cluster using a 2010 VIN which will get rid of the steering feel option, but the ambient lighting will still be there but be useless. The only way to select steering feel modes is to convert the car to electric steering. Possible, but pricey and who knows what needs to be changed in the car. Lexiion is looking into doing this for his 2010. Ambient lighting is controlled by a separate module in the center console for 07-09 cars. No idea if it can be changed to work from the cluster.
18) Sport Select Shift available on the cluster for automatics, but 05-09 automatic cars don't have this.
Result - When you put the automatic car into 1, the cluster will recognize a manual shift and say "Sport Shift Selected". When put into 2, 2 is displayed on the cluster. When put into 3, 3 is selected on the cluster.
Fix - either flash the cluster to that of a manual and that may get rid of the message, or just leave it.
19)there is no 5 way directional pad to navigate the menus. The 'info-reset' buttons on the center stack will not be useful.
Result - can't access any features beyond the title screen.
Fix - use a 2013/14 wheel with appropriate switches. This requires even more work. Or use an off the shelf d pad and adapt it to the 05-09. The old 'info-reset' buttons should be removed with the blankout put in.
Also, charging and odometer signals identified.
The Black Box will be wired to the HScan wires. It will also have to have some way of plugging some wires that normally go to the cluster go to it instead. Wires 13, 20, 21, 23, 24 will all need to plug into the black box.
For the problem of mounting the 5 way directional button (5D pad), it seems that akdoggie has the solution.
Retrofitting the 10-14 steering wheel and make all the buttons function, he used the unused ports on the clock spring. Connector WPT 1242 (formally WPT 440) plugs into those unused ports.
You can see akdoggie's write up on retrofitting the newer wheel here:
Very challenging as you have to swap all harnesses, and most of the modules, too (ABS, BCM, RCM etc)
Then I am not sure if a 13-14 PCM will be able to get adjusted to a 4.6 3V. If it would, I would have done it with Matt back in the day.
LEXiiON
So throwing a slightly different wrench into the mix...
From a technical perspective, my car is basically a 2007 GT500. Bought a donor rollover car, and had everything swapped.... body harness, ecm, you name it.
If I go with the approach that I don't care about track apps, EPAS, launch control, or ambient lighting... could a solution be to get 2010 or 2011 parts / wiring to make it work?
I'm thinking that one of the major difficulties I will have is cruise control... could theoretically get an ECM from a 2010 (or 2011 to get knock sensors and wideband), and swap the engine harness potentially?
So throwing a slightly different wrench into the mix...
From a technical perspective, my car is basically a 2007 GT500. Bought a donor rollover car, and had everything swapped.... body harness, ecm, you name it.
If I go with the approach that I don't care about track apps, EPAS, launch control, or ambient lighting... could a solution be to get 2010 or 2011 parts / wiring to make it work?
I'm thinking that one of the major difficulties I will have is cruise control... could theoretically get an ECM from a 2010 (or 2011 to get knock sensors and wideband), and swap the engine harness potentially?
i swapped a 2013 GT500 into my 2010 and i had to swap everything (and that's a 2010 with at least the same SJB, BCM and RCM - those are the modules i didn't had to swap). All the wiring is completely different. The 2011+ PCM has 70/70/50 pin connectors, the 2010 has 70/50/50 and the battery harness and engine harness for the 2011+ GT500 are completely different than the 07-09 and 2010. You would need a new gas pedal, brake light switch, ABS sensors, etc. All different, too (ask me how I know)
So putting this into a 07 GT500 means all new wires, new ABS, new SJB, new BCM, new everything from an electronic perspective.
Hoping that Matt gets it figured out for Q2 2016. Haven't heard from him in a long time, though.
Hopefully this is still alive ... There is nothing else I can do from my end. I can get it working, but as shown in a previous thread, there are some pretty important things that are not working or not working right.
I still have my 12, and will keep that for a few years, so I'll still be posting. But the days of being a pioneer retrofitter are probably gone, as there is nothing else left to do in my car.
I would have loved to have had this cluster retrofit done, but with Matt (Zeroaviation) disappearing and taking my money and clusters I sent him for testing with him, I have nothing more to offer the 05-09 crowd.
If there is someone out there that knows how to build a computer module to translate PCM signals for the new cluster, I can e-mail what info I have that Matt did send.
If it is not possible I basically want to do this.
What do you guys think? image 1, 2, 3 or 4? A fresh update.
Illuminating the ring will be easy. Getting the faceplate to look like this will be challenging.
I know this is an old post but I like the ring around the gauges, I'm just curious how you could do this? I thought about swapping to a newer cluster myself, but looks like the cruise control not working as well as figuring out how to hook all the misc things from the car to the cluster is to much of a pain. I'd be cool with just a cool overlay and a Halo around the gauges lol.
Welcome to the forums.
What I ended up doing was replace the cluster face with a custom one from blackcatcustom.ca then used EL panels, cut out to shape and put them in. Wire them up and voila new fresh look.
If you have any questions let me know
Welcome to the forums.
What I ended up doing was replace the cluster face with a custom one from blackcatcustom.ca then used EL panels, cut out to shape and put them in. Wire them up and voila new fresh look.
If you have any questions let me know
Wow that looks really good! Where did you get the El panels from and how hard way it to cut to fit? I would love to do this for real! I'm doing my dash lights all in blue and I think the halos will really set it off. If you don't mind, might want to get some help here with this? That's awesome!
You can get Round or Square El panels from anywhere. Ebay, Amazon, aliexpress.. Just make sure you get the 12v adapter with them.
Cutting them is fairly simple just make sure you don't cut the circuit that supplies power and you can cut them into any shape. I would advice you to look at some youtube videos about cutting EL panels so that you can get a better idea.
Just a small warning though. When they are working they produce a slight high pitched hum. I personally don't mind it and if you are playing music you can't hear it.
8/2/15, 11:59 AM
