jim010

I am looking into getting the latest Mustang cluster with the LCD screen put into my 2005 GT. After consulting with Zeroaviation, it looks like it is doable. The speedo and tach shouldn't be an issue, just need to see about the other guages and if some sort of 'black box converter needs to be built as had been done to get these clusters to work in 2011/12 cars.

https://themustangsource.com/f803/13...1-12-a-514651/

The plugs are not the same, but that is no big deal.

Is there interest in doing this?

Updates on the progress:

1) On the 2005 cluster, the airbag indicator and seat belt indicator and tone (24 and 23 on the plug for 2005) come from the RCM. The 2013/14 must be receiving these signals through the CANbus.

Result - no airbag warning light, no seat belt warning light, no seat belt chime

Fix - Black Box - plug these wires into the BB and then send the proper signals to the cluster via HSCAN wires, as the cluster expects.


Airbag and seat belt signal identified.


2) Traction control indicator is a signal and return on the 2005 and so are 2 separate wires. But it is only 1 wire for 2013/14.

Result - traction control warning light is always on. TCS is off and can't be turned on?

Fix - Black Box - plug these wires into the BB and then send the proper signal to the cluster to pin 7 on the cluster.


Traction Control and ABS signal identified.


3) The key in the ignition warning on the 2005 goes straight to the cluster to pin 13. On the 2013/14, it goes to the SJB on C2280B pin#35. Info must be sent via CANbus again.

Result - IDK

Fix - Black Box - plug the wire into the BB and then send the proper signal via the HSCAN wires to the cluster.

4) PATS is in the cluster for 2013/14 and is pin# 22 and 23. Don't need these, so don't worry about it. Car will start without it.

Result - the car & lock warning light keep flashing when car is on. No PATS?

Fix - IDK - maybe turn off PATS altogether? Or BB can somehow keep PATS working.

5) On the 2013/14 cluster, pin# 9 and 10 are for a compass.

Result - IDK

Fix - get the 10-14 autodimming mirror with compass and wire it straight to the cluster pin#9 and 10. Or leave it alone.

6) Oil pressure goes direct to the 2013/14 cluster into pin# 5. On the 2005, it goes to the SJB on C2280C pin# 42. Maybe disconnecting it to the SJB and rewiring it to go to the cluster will work? Otherwise, once again the info is sent via CANbus.

Result - no oil pressure reading

Fix - reroute the wire going to pin#42 on C2280C on the SJB. Run it to the connector on the cluster pin #5. Not sure if the reading is accurate, but seems to be.


Oil Pressure signal identified and mapped


7) Fuel level is also sent directly to the cluster in 2013/14. In 2005 it goes to the SJB (C2280C pin# 31, 43, 44) and then CANbus to the cluster. Again I am thinking of disconnecting the wires to the SJB and rewiring them to go to the cluster instead.

Result - no fuel reading or anything associated with fuel, like average fuel consumption, km to empty etc,

Fix - reroute the wires going to the SJB to the cluster instead as shown below:
On C2280C, pin #43 is the signal for the fuel level sensor. That will go to pin# 18 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin# 31 is the return for the fuel level sensor. That goes to pin# 19 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin# 44 is the signal for the fuel pump (fuel sender). That goes to pin# 15 on the cluster.
On C2280C, pin#31 is also the return for the fuel pump (fuel sender). It goes to pin# 16 on the cluster.

The reading is not accurate, though. Lexiion says that a 2010 fuel pump and sensors are needed for this. Seems he is right.

Fuel level signal identified and mapped.


8) There is no overdrive indicator on the 13/14 cluster, only hill assist indicator.

Result - hill assist does not light up.

Fix - IDK - Maybe hill assist can be changed to light up as O/D via the BB?

9) cruise control light - cruise will not work right as the resistances in the 13/14 switch are completely different, and there is a new function as well.

Result - no cruise control

Fix - The circuit board of the 13/14 switch needs to have the resistances changed to make it work almost 100%. I already have a solution for this in another thread for this, but to get the cruise lights to turn on, a module will need to be included in the BB to make the proper signals and send them via HSCAN wires.

10) parking brake light is always on

Result - parking brake warning light is always on.

Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.


Parking Brake signal identified and mapped.


11) Trunk ajar warning does not work.

Result - car gives no warning that the trunk is open.

Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.

12) TPMS has no signal as 05 didn't have TPMS.

Result - TPMS warning light is always on.

Fix - ignore or get TPMS sensors and the TPMS module for 07-09 cars?

13) High Beam indicator not working

Result - when high beam is selected, the high beam indicator will not light up. Headlights and high beams still function as they should, however.

Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret the signal on the HSCAN wires.

14) extra digital guages, such as air inlet temp, air/fuel ratio, cylinder head temp, tranny temp will not work as the signals from the PCM are not recognized by the cluster.

Result - no readings for those digital guages

Fix - Black Box can reinterpret the signals on the HSCAN wires. Or you can flash the cluster using a 2010 VIN to remove those guages.

15) Track Apps won't work. Lexiion is currently trying to get this to work in his 2010 car, but even though he got the 13/14 ABS module, he still can't get it to work. I think not possible for 05-09 cars.

Result - track apps will display but not be functional.

Fix - Flash the cluster to that of a 10 car. Then Track Apps will be removed from the menu altogether. Or BB could have the sensors built into it and send this to cluster via HSCAN wires.

16) Cluster is in night mode and can't be changed to daytime mode.

Result - cluster will always be in night time mode

Fix - IDK - BB will have to reinterpret signal on HSCAN wires.

17) Steering selection and ambient lighting are selectable on the cluster, but not available on the car.

Result - you can select these options, but will get nothing.

Fix - you can flash the cluster using a 2010 VIN which will get rid of the steering feel option, but the ambient lighting will still be there but be useless. The only way to select steering feel modes is to convert the car to electric steering. Possible, but pricey and who knows what needs to be changed in the car. Lexiion is looking into doing this for his 2010. Ambient lighting is controlled by a separate module in the center console for 07-09 cars. No idea if it can be changed to work from the cluster.

18) Sport Select Shift available on the cluster for automatics, but 05-09 automatic cars don't have this.

Result - When you put the automatic car into 1, the cluster will recognize a manual shift and say "Sport Shift Selected". When put into 2, 2 is displayed on the cluster. When put into 3, 3 is selected on the cluster.

Fix - either flash the cluster to that of a manual and that may get rid of the message, or just leave it.


19)there is no 5 way directional pad to navigate the menus. The 'info-reset' buttons on the center stack will not be useful.

Result - can't access any features beyond the title screen.

Fix - use a 2013/14 wheel with appropriate switches. This requires even more work. Or use an off the shelf d pad and adapt it to the 05-09. The old 'info-reset' buttons should be removed with the blankout put in.

Also, charging and odometer signals identified.


The Black Box will be wired to the HScan wires. It will also have to have some way of plugging some wires that normally go to the cluster go to it instead. Wires 13, 20, 21, 23, 24 will all need to plug into the black box.

jim010

I would point out that for this to work, we would need the 2013/14 steering wheel with the 5 way directional button. The message center button on the dash would not work anymore and would have to be blanked out.

Also don't know at this time how other features of the cluster would work out, like the steering feel and ambient lighting. Nor Track Apps, for that matter.

zeroaviation

What should work without modification

RPM
Speedo
Gauge Lighting (MyColor)

I'm willing to help if others are interested

-Matt

friedmaster

I'd certainly be interested in the swap.... although I'm not sure I'm prepared to be the guinea pig.

05YellowGT

+1 ...

jim010

You won't be. I will.

friedmaster

Here's a REALLY stupid question... would it even fit in the same spot with the way our dash panels are cut?

jim010

It should. Since I have both a 2012 and a 2005, I can investigate this, but I am almost certain that it will. I'll check next week.

friedmaster

Hmm... would you use the bezel from the 05 or 2012?

If you do it, I'd definitely like to see some pics.

jim010

I'm doing it with my current interior for now.

friedmaster

Hey Jim,

Any luck on getting it installed?

zeroaviation

I don't think he has started yet.

-Matt

jim010

I will see if it fits soon.

It is -25 here today and will be cold all week.

I'm also finishing up getting the cluster retrofitted into my 2012 Mustang.

When I've done the test fit, then I will need to buy a cluster and get the appropriate pigtail connector as they are not the same. Clusters seem to be hard to come by.

amustangrocks

This is a great thread. Jim if you get this hooked up, I might have to give up the mycolor I have cause that sure is sweet

VGMStudios

I was wondering about this myself.
Would the 2010 cluster:
http://static.ed.edmunds-media.com/u...470-111174.jpg

fit into a 2007?
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/ima...0678055434.JPG

They look the same apart from the colored ring.

Boomer

Was thinking the same thing.

VGMStudios

If it is not possible I basically want to do this.

What do you guys think? image 1, 2, 3 or 4? A fresh update.
Illuminating the ring will be easy. Getting the faceplate to look like this will be challenging.

Cavero

I must be missing something...all 4 look the same to me

AzPete

There is a difference in the tach redline indications....

zeroaviation

I'm not sure if the cluster will physically fit. However, I'm fairly certain we will be able to make it work on the network. The only hurdle will be disabling PATS.

-Matt