Shelby V6?
10/29/05, 05:15 AM
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I love the idea of a SHelby V6, but I don't think a Shelby V6 will put down 385 to 400 RWHP or RWTQ. I cannot see them running more than 10 psi of boost on 91 octane, even with a Vortech blower. That's barely 300 RWHP and Vortechs do not make low end torque. I'd say RWTQ will be lower than RWHP. I'm guessing they will offer something in the 6-8 psi range. This is streetable and will keep them out of reliability trouble.
10/29/05, 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by 1trickpony@October 29, 2005, 3:18 AM
I love the idea of a SHelby V6, but I don't think a Shelby V6 will put down 385 to 400 RWHP or RWTQ. I cannot see them running more than 10 psi of boost on 91 octane, even with a Vortech blower. That's barely 300 RWHP and Vortechs do not make low end torque. I'd say RWTQ will be lower than RWHP. I'm guessing they will offer something in the 6-8 psi range. This is streetable and will keep them out of reliability trouble.
I love the idea of a SHelby V6, but I don't think a Shelby V6 will put down 385 to 400 RWHP or RWTQ. I cannot see them running more than 10 psi of boost on 91 octane, even with a Vortech blower. That's barely 300 RWHP and Vortechs do not make low end torque. I'd say RWTQ will be lower than RWHP. I'm guessing they will offer something in the 6-8 psi range. This is streetable and will keep them out of reliability trouble.
How do you quantify that, when all SOHC 4.0's thus far show atleast 100 point difference in terms of TQ Vs. HP, when modified?
10/29/05, 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by MSP@October 29, 2005, 4:25 PM
How do you quantify that, when all SOHC 4.0's thus far show atleast 100 point difference in terms of TQ Vs. HP, when modified?
How do you quantify that, when all SOHC 4.0's thus far show atleast 100 point difference in terms of TQ Vs. HP, when modified?
wait til you see my latest dyno sheet!!! I'm working on my website right now and will post a new thread when I'm done... If you remember we had the discussion about my TQ being so much higher than my HP???? LOL!
10/29/05, 07:14 PM
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Most 4.0L blowers, I don't know about nitrous, do not have a 100 point spread between hp and tq. Go to the Explorer Express website and look at a Ranger's dyno. You have to do some math, but peak torque works out to 255 RWTQ or just ten more that peak HP. That's with a roots type blower. Roots type blowers make full boost around 3500 rpm or sooner. That's right around a 4.0L torque peak. A Vortech blower will not make peak boost at 3500 rpm, maybe 60-70 percent so the torque peak will only get a 60-70 percent boost (actually a little less). That's why I'm guessing HP will be higher than TQ with a Vortech blower.
10/29/05, 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by 1trickpony@October 29, 2005, 8:17 PM
Most 4.0L blowers, I don't know about nitrous, do not have a 100 point spread between hp and tq. Go to the Explorer Express website and look at a Ranger's dyno. You have to do some math, but peak torque works out to 255 RWTQ or just ten more that peak HP. That's with a roots type blower. Roots type blowers make full boost around 3500 rpm or sooner. That's right around a 4.0L torque peak. A Vortech blower will not make peak boost at 3500 rpm, maybe 60-70 percent so the torque peak will only get a 60-70 percent boost (actually a little less). That's why I'm guessing HP will be higher than TQ with a Vortech blower.
Most 4.0L blowers, I don't know about nitrous, do not have a 100 point spread between hp and tq. Go to the Explorer Express website and look at a Ranger's dyno. You have to do some math, but peak torque works out to 255 RWTQ or just ten more that peak HP. That's with a roots type blower. Roots type blowers make full boost around 3500 rpm or sooner. That's right around a 4.0L torque peak. A Vortech blower will not make peak boost at 3500 rpm, maybe 60-70 percent so the torque peak will only get a 60-70 percent boost (actually a little less). That's why I'm guessing HP will be higher than TQ with a Vortech blower.
10/29/05, 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 29, 2005, 9:22 PM
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
10/29/05, 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by 1trickpony@October 29, 2005, 4:18 AM
I love the idea of a SHelby V6, but I don't think a Shelby V6 will put down 385 to 400 RWHP or RWTQ. I cannot see them running more than 10 psi of boost on 91 octane, even with a Vortech blower. That's barely 300 RWHP and Vortechs do not make low end torque. I'd say RWTQ will be lower than RWHP. I'm guessing they will offer something in the 6-8 psi range. This is streetable and will keep them out of reliability trouble.
I love the idea of a SHelby V6, but I don't think a Shelby V6 will put down 385 to 400 RWHP or RWTQ. I cannot see them running more than 10 psi of boost on 91 octane, even with a Vortech blower. That's barely 300 RWHP and Vortechs do not make low end torque. I'd say RWTQ will be lower than RWHP. I'm guessing they will offer something in the 6-8 psi range. This is streetable and will keep them out of reliability trouble.
It should make the power of a current GT N/A for it to impress me. Now if they throw a blower on top of that then
If they made this as a class to be with other 6 cylinder handling sport cars's it'd be awesome. Have it weigh in at 3300 lbs and I don't see how it won't be well recieved. We all remeber the turbo'd 4cyl SVO, so this makes perfect sense.
10/29/05, 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by scrming@October 30, 2005, 10:22 AM
Actually the Eaton on Explorer Express makes 70% of it's boost at 1800RPM!!! WOOHOO! LOL!
Actually the Eaton on Explorer Express makes 70% of it's boost at 1800RPM!!! WOOHOO! LOL!
10/30/05, 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 29, 2005, 3:22 PM
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
You must be worried about the V6's if your snooping around in their section.
10/30/05, 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 29, 2005, 5:22 PM
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
The old man has gone senile. Bad idea. I'll laugh at v6 shelbys that I can beat in my lightly modded GT.
Com'n Shifty! Your lightly modded GT will get smoked by any 05 V6 with a Blower..
10/30/05, 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by MSP@October 30, 2005, 4:34 AM
Com'n Shifty! Your lightly modded GT will get smoked by any 05 V6 with a Blower..
Com'n Shifty! Your lightly modded GT will get smoked by any 05 V6 with a Blower..
10/30/05, 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by WERKED 66@October 30, 2005, 1:11 AM
i`ll put money up that you won`t..sound fair..
i`ll put money up that you won`t..sound fair..
What does "You Won't" mean? :scratch: Won't what?
10/30/05, 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by MSP@October 30, 2005, 4:20 AM
What does "You Won't" mean? :scratch: Won't what?
What does "You Won't" mean? :scratch: Won't what?
He's saying a blown 05 V6 won't beat a lightly modded 05 GT... of course what is the definition of "lightly modded"
Ok... here's a perfect example... Here is a 05 GT with a 5 speed, has a C&L CAI which means it has a "tune". Also has after market exhaust... so I would call this a typical "lightly" modded GT. Time 13.57 @ 102...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-6632.html
I know if I put a good set of DRs I'ld be awful close to being in the 12s... and I'm only running the 100HP shot...
10/30/05, 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by scrming@October 30, 2005, 7:36 AM
He's saying a blown 05 V6 won't beat a lightly modded 05 GT... of course what is the definition of "lightly modded"
Ok... here's a perfect example... Here is a 05 GT with a 5 speed, has a C&L CAI which means it has a "tune". Also has after market exhaust... so I would call this a typical "lightly" modded GT. Time 13.57 @ 102...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-6632.html
I know if I put a good set of DRs I'ld be awful close to being in the 12s... and I'm only running the 100HP shot...
He's saying a blown 05 V6 won't beat a lightly modded 05 GT... of course what is the definition of "lightly modded"
Ok... here's a perfect example... Here is a 05 GT with a 5 speed, has a C&L CAI which means it has a "tune". Also has after market exhaust... so I would call this a typical "lightly" modded GT. Time 13.57 @ 102...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-6632.html
I know if I put a good set of DRs I'ld be awful close to being in the 12s... and I'm only running the 100HP shot...
10/30/05, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 30, 2005, 12:08 PM
I actually I ran 13.2@104 with just exhaust and a tune. Bad weather too. I'll be in the 12's with intake/exhaust/tune, new wheels/tires, and clutch by the end of the week. My guess is the blown 6 will be rated about 300 from factory. Maybe a little more. Being "awful close" to 12's with a 100 shot is not something to be proud of.
I actually I ran 13.2@104 with just exhaust and a tune. Bad weather too. I'll be in the 12's with intake/exhaust/tune, new wheels/tires, and clutch by the end of the week. My guess is the blown 6 will be rated about 300 from factory. Maybe a little more. Being "awful close" to 12's with a 100 shot is not something to be proud of.
10/30/05, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Jimp@October 30, 2005, 10:23 AM
Neither is trolling a V6 forum when you don't have one. Get a life.
Neither is trolling a V6 forum when you don't have one. Get a life.
10/30/05, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 30, 2005, 6:08 AM
I actually I ran 13.2@104 with just exhaust and a tune. Bad weather too. I'll be in the 12's with intake/exhaust/tune, new wheels/tires, and clutch by the end of the week. My guess is the blown 6 will be rated about 300 from factory. Maybe a little more. Being "awful close" to 12's with a 100 shot is not something to be proud of.
I actually I ran 13.2@104 with just exhaust and a tune. Bad weather too. I'll be in the 12's with intake/exhaust/tune, new wheels/tires, and clutch by the end of the week. My guess is the blown 6 will be rated about 300 from factory. Maybe a little more. Being "awful close" to 12's with a 100 shot is not something to be proud of.
Lets see base mustang around 20,000 plus nitrous and couple add ons maybe 23,000
Gt probably paid close to 30,000 cuz you just had to have it. plus add ons, around 32,000
plus gas and insurance. and both are pulling around the same times.
All this together seems to equal alot of nosy gt members seeing what mods we are doing cuz they must not have money left over to do any to theirs.
10/30/05, 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Shifty@October 30, 2005, 8:47 AM
Hey I just saw the title of the thread on my way to the GT forum. I had to come see if this was a joke. Then I got attacked for stating the obvious. So sorry V6 people, go and worship your 6 cyl shelby.
Hey I just saw the title of the thread on my way to the GT forum. I had to come see if this was a joke. Then I got attacked for stating the obvious. So sorry V6 people, go and worship your 6 cyl shelby.
Of course Shiftey could simply bolt on a Blower himself and not be concerned with this, because then he could have for himself a 2005 Mustang GT with 450+ RWHP and TQ.. But this is not the case.. Shiftey is content to live in a 2005 Mustang GT world which consist of only 13.2 seconds in the quarter mile, and maybe 12.7 if he loses some weight and does a couple of extra things to his suspension to imporve upon his launch.. Under these circumstances, he is going to be a 2005 Mustang GT owner victim..
He is in the perfect spot to be humiliated and embarassed by a V6 or a V6 Shelby some day, and must lash out here, and now to somehow get back at the V6'ers of the future 1/4 mile beat-down he is absolutley going to receive unless he gets with the 2005 Mustang GT program, and stops posing like a little child stuck with a V8, but does not properly know how to set it up..
So dont be too hard on shiftey.. He is scared, worried, paranoid, and confused, at how could it be that he owns a 2005 Mustang GT and is right on the edge of getting a beatdown by not only 2005 Mustang V6's, but also the Shelby V6..
Put it like this Mister Shiftey, either get with the 2005 Mustang GT program by way of a blower, turbo or nitrous or get out of the kitchen.. Because the 2005 Mustang V6 is hot, and its burnin up GT's in the kitchen which choose to remain above 13.0 seconds.. Dont get burned.. Dont disrespect, and dont be a loser..
10/30/05, 11:14 AM
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I guess when some people buy a GT they lose their sense and real love toward the Mustang, and become in a closed state. 
I cannot for the life in me see how a Shelby V6, speculated GT350, is not in any sense prety cool. I hope the focus is in handling with over 300 hp to back it up.
I cannot for the life in me see how a Shelby V6, speculated GT350, is not in any sense prety cool. I hope the focus is in handling with over 300 hp to back it up.