Camaro concept
#241
No respect required , Thanks after all is it a Camero topic on a Mustang site that gets me a tad , but that freedom of speech beauty I suppose your listening to the BeachBoys " Hey Little Cobra " har,har
#242
wow, ed, thats a really nice Camaro!!!
and i dont think anyone wants to flame you. just makes you a more well rounded person if u can accept another brand as just as good as the brand where loyalties lie
and man... i love that color lol. nice choice
and i dont think anyone wants to flame you. just makes you a more well rounded person if u can accept another brand as just as good as the brand where loyalties lie
and man... i love that color lol. nice choice
#243
i hope it comes out~! my dad is goin crazy over it, hes in love, he had a 67 or 68 when he was younger in silver w/ white stripes, and it will match my 05, so we can have a new gen of muscle cars in our driveway!! yay!
#244
Originally posted by GottaHaveIt@January 13, 2006, 9:47 PM
I used to have a 1968 RS/SS until it was stolen. 350 4 bolt main That was my third car ever without a DL's licence
1 st 1966 Ford Falcon
2 nd 1965 Mustang 3 speed
3 rd 1968 Camero
4 th 1968 Galaxie
5 th 1996 BMW 2002
6 th all Gov't vehicles
7 th 2005 Mustang GT
All this Camero chat is really making me sick in that I miss what I once had and would like one day to attain it again
it was this exact color but a 1968
Now will I get flamed for the picture sorry
I used to have a 1968 RS/SS until it was stolen. 350 4 bolt main That was my third car ever without a DL's licence
1 st 1966 Ford Falcon
2 nd 1965 Mustang 3 speed
3 rd 1968 Camero
4 th 1968 Galaxie
5 th 1996 BMW 2002
6 th all Gov't vehicles
7 th 2005 Mustang GT
All this Camero chat is really making me sick in that I miss what I once had and would like one day to attain it again
it was this exact color but a 1968
Now will I get flamed for the picture sorry
Love that color as well! I had a 79 Camaro that was about the same color, a little lighter, but I always like the dark reds more.
#245
This was way premature stage to show this car. Yeah i think it looks pretty cool, but the General can't make that car in the price range needed. Corvette engine? The interest this concept generates will be genuine, but the final product will be a 2- year run if the final car isn't very close to this concept. The challenger is much further along in development, and more true to the name. Dodge, on the other hand has done a great job on the challenger, but might be competing with it's own stable with the charger. The soon to be extinct magnum is a testament. The charger sales will be for those who can't afford 300c but need 4 doors.
#246
This is interesting...
I love that last line. The answer may be that Wagoner was too busy packing his golden parachute.
Camaro concept received emergency reworking
M's veep of global product development, Bob Lutz and his so-called 'Golden Gut' have become the stuff of business legend. Tales of Lutz walking in on a team well into a vehicle's gestation, only to utter a disappointed 'no' and send designers scurrying for their Dynoc have been well-publicized. So it comes as something of a surprise that an 11th hour reworking of the Camaro concept didn't come at Maximum Bob's behest, but rather at that of General Motors' Chairman and CEO, Rick Wagoner.
Apparently, the NAIAS showstopper was originally destined to be even more of a throwback than it is, but a last-minute Wagoner walkthrough nixed a finished original for mining the nameplate's past a little too closely.
A second design team was brought in under GM's Ed Welburn (VP of global design), and the two combined to create the design that sallied forth earlier this week to great acclaim in Detroit.
This begs the question: How is it that the Chairman and CEO of GM would not look in on the development of what was obviously the company's most important concept car this year until the last minute?
M's veep of global product development, Bob Lutz and his so-called 'Golden Gut' have become the stuff of business legend. Tales of Lutz walking in on a team well into a vehicle's gestation, only to utter a disappointed 'no' and send designers scurrying for their Dynoc have been well-publicized. So it comes as something of a surprise that an 11th hour reworking of the Camaro concept didn't come at Maximum Bob's behest, but rather at that of General Motors' Chairman and CEO, Rick Wagoner.
Apparently, the NAIAS showstopper was originally destined to be even more of a throwback than it is, but a last-minute Wagoner walkthrough nixed a finished original for mining the nameplate's past a little too closely.
A second design team was brought in under GM's Ed Welburn (VP of global design), and the two combined to create the design that sallied forth earlier this week to great acclaim in Detroit.
This begs the question: How is it that the Chairman and CEO of GM would not look in on the development of what was obviously the company's most important concept car this year until the last minute?
#247
Hey guys,
I just got back from NAIAS, my thoughts on the camaro car in person;
1. The front end looks a lot worse in person
2. The rest of the body looks stunning in person.
The car drew a huge crowd, it was a virtual tie between the crowd at the Challenger display
I just got back from NAIAS, my thoughts on the camaro car in person;
1. The front end looks a lot worse in person
2. The rest of the body looks stunning in person.
The car drew a huge crowd, it was a virtual tie between the crowd at the Challenger display
#248
That is interesting BC Shelby, I like your answer to the question too. Makes me wonder what the Camaro looked like prior to Wagoner's intervention...
And Galaxie, I've seen statements similar to your thought #1 on a few forums. Is it an awkwardness that could be sorted out for production? Or something that is just sort of gonna be there.
And Galaxie, I've seen statements similar to your thought #1 on a few forums. Is it an awkwardness that could be sorted out for production? Or something that is just sort of gonna be there.
#250
i think its more likely to have 17s or 18s all the way around, it'd be cheaper for them to just have every wheel and every tire be the same, you know?
wheels like this are more of a show car thing, and too keep this car affordable, bean counters will remove em.
plus alot of less preformance oriented buyers will be pretty annoyed why they find out they cant rotate the tires cuz the wheels are different :P
wheels like this are more of a show car thing, and too keep this car affordable, bean counters will remove em.
plus alot of less preformance oriented buyers will be pretty annoyed why they find out they cant rotate the tires cuz the wheels are different :P
#251
Originally posted by future9er24@January 19, 2006, 1:19 AM
i think its more likely to have 17s or 18s all the way around, it'd be cheaper for them to just have every wheel and every tire be the same, you know?
wheels like this are more of a show car thing, and too keep this car affordable, bean counters will remove em.
plus alot of less preformance oriented buyers will be pretty annoyed why they find out they cant rotate the tires cuz the wheels are different :P
i think its more likely to have 17s or 18s all the way around, it'd be cheaper for them to just have every wheel and every tire be the same, you know?
wheels like this are more of a show car thing, and too keep this car affordable, bean counters will remove em.
plus alot of less preformance oriented buyers will be pretty annoyed why they find out they cant rotate the tires cuz the wheels are different :P
#252
More pics of the red camaro from the L.A. auto show:
http://www.poltergeist.us/06laauto/camaro/
heres is John McBride's Concept Camaro drawing from November 2005
http://www.poltergeist.us/06laauto/camaro/
heres is John McBride's Concept Camaro drawing from November 2005
#254
This concept is about as production ready as the 427 was 4 years ago
Big wheels do not make a car 'cool'. I think its pretty lousy overall and looks WAY rushed, no two surfaces seem to even match. Its design-school level finished at best. It doesn't even look like actual Chevy people did the concept.
Look at this shot from the Challenger, and tell me how much this is a 'study' that they 'may' consider feesable in the 'future':
It even has oem rubber pedal covers, weatherstripping fit for the car, overlapping door sill molding, moulded plastic seatbelt trim, srs cutouts, and factory level upholstry.
Big wheels do not make a car 'cool'. I think its pretty lousy overall and looks WAY rushed, no two surfaces seem to even match. Its design-school level finished at best. It doesn't even look like actual Chevy people did the concept.
Look at this shot from the Challenger, and tell me how much this is a 'study' that they 'may' consider feesable in the 'future':
It even has oem rubber pedal covers, weatherstripping fit for the car, overlapping door sill molding, moulded plastic seatbelt trim, srs cutouts, and factory level upholstry.
#255
Originally posted by BC_Shelby@January 14, 2006, 8:22 PM
This is interesting...
I love that last line. The answer may be that Wagoner was too busy packing his golden parachute.
This is interesting...
I love that last line. The answer may be that Wagoner was too busy packing his golden parachute.
#257
Originally posted by futuresvt@January 21, 2006, 11:16 AM
I love those challenger seats and hope you are right about the camaro. I'm not a fan. Now the Challenger, that should give Ford real concern. IMO.
I love those challenger seats and hope you are right about the camaro. I'm not a fan. Now the Challenger, that should give Ford real concern. IMO.
#259
Originally posted by kevinb120@January 21, 2006, 1:16 PM
I don't think it would give Ford a big concern,
The momentum will change in the very near future.
I don't think it would give Ford a big concern,
The momentum will change in the very near future.
I agree that it seems the momentum might change for people who are interested in performance vehicles. However, that is a smaller % of the market than the market itself. I think that a much larger percentage is very much attracted to the perceived superior quality/reliability etc of imports.
With regard to the Challenger, i think if it comes close to production in a state similar to the concept, with similar performance #'s, I think ford should be concerned b/c it will no question cut into mustang sales, which at the moment is the only vehicle except the F-150 that ford can really count on...
Plus, it looks like the Challenger may well outperform a stang anyway, even with a stock 5.7 Hemi (~340hp i think with gobs of tq).
#260
Well, cars like the Fusion and Edge are quite bold in the class it sits in, and underprices all of the competition, even hyundai. The Fusion actually stands out in trafffc too. Even the new dodge compact(forgot the name) has visual 'zip'. The new Camry, for example, looks like a rushed redo to go try to recapture sales lost to Hyundai. Toyota simply looks at what is capturing market share from a certain vehicle, and reskins the car with that car's styling features. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....