No respect required , Thanks after all is it a Camero topic on a Mustang site that gets me a tad , but that freedom of speech beauty I suppose your listening to the BeachBoys " Hey Little Cobra " har,har

 

wow, ed, thats a really nice Camaro!!!

and i dont think anyone wants to flame you. just makes you a more well rounded person if u can accept another brand as just as good as the brand where loyalties lie

and man... i love that color lol. nice choice

 

i hope it comes out~! my dad is goin crazy over it, hes in love, he had a 67 or 68 when he was younger in silver w/ white stripes, and it will match my 05, so we can have a new gen of muscle cars in our driveway!! yay!

 

No flaming here! I love the first Gen Camaros. Always wanted one and will most likely get one once I retire from the military to work on in my spare time. It is too hard to move multiple cars and find a house to store them. (Some countries don't have garages unless you have a LOT of money)

Love that color as well! I had a 79 Camaro that was about the same color, a little lighter, but I always like the dark reds more.

 

This was way premature stage to show this car. Yeah i think it looks pretty cool, but the General can't make that car in the price range needed. Corvette engine? The interest this concept generates will be genuine, but the final product will be a 2- year run if the final car isn't very close to this concept. The challenger is much further along in development, and more true to the name. Dodge, on the other hand has done a great job on the challenger, but might be competing with it's own stable with the charger. The soon to be extinct magnum is a testament. The charger sales will be for those who can't afford 300c but need 4 doors.

 

This is interesting...

I love that last line. The answer may be that Wagoner was too busy packing his golden parachute.

 

Hey guys,

I just got back from NAIAS, my thoughts on the camaro car in person;

1. The front end looks a lot worse in person
2. The rest of the body looks stunning in person.

The car drew a huge crowd, it was a virtual tie between the crowd at the Challenger display

 

That is interesting BC Shelby, I like your answer to the question too. Makes me wonder what the Camaro looked like prior to Wagoner's intervention...

And Galaxie, I've seen statements similar to your thought #1 on a few forums. Is it an awkwardness that could be sorted out for production? Or something that is just sort of gonna be there.

 

This thing is looking better and better each second....I still don't like the front end, but there's potential.

Also the concept had 21s front and 22s rear....you think the real one would have 17s or 18s etc?

 

i think its more likely to have 17s or 18s all the way around, it'd be cheaper for them to just have every wheel and every tire be the same, you know?

wheels like this are more of a show car thing, and too keep this car affordable, bean counters will remove em.

plus alot of less preformance oriented buyers will be pretty annoyed why they find out they cant rotate the tires cuz the wheels are different :P

 

Haha!!! Good point. Remember the 05 Mustang concept's 22 inchers?

 

More pics of the red camaro from the L.A. auto show:
http://www.poltergeist.us/06laauto/camaro/

heres is John McBride's Concept Camaro drawing from November 2005

 

McBride's Concept blows the actual concept away, IMO.

 

This concept is about as production ready as the 427 was 4 years ago



Big wheels do not make a car 'cool'. I think its pretty lousy overall and looks WAY rushed, no two surfaces seem to even match. Its design-school level finished at best. It doesn't even look like actual Chevy people did the concept.

Look at this shot from the Challenger, and tell me how much this is a 'study' that they 'may' consider feesable in the 'future':


It even has oem rubber pedal covers, weatherstripping fit for the car, overlapping door sill molding, moulded plastic seatbelt trim, srs cutouts, and factory level upholstry.

 

Well Lutz's much-lauded design taste led to such stellar works of art as the HHR SSR Cobalt and GTO

 

I love those challenger seats and hope you are right about the camaro. I'm not a fan. Now the Challenger, that should give Ford real concern. IMO.

 

I don't think it would give Ford a big concern, competitive products with 'more' going for it over the years have all fallen to the mustang over 40 years. I think this slew of exciting American products is giving Japan a little concern. People are going to grow tired of driving imported toaster ovens around. I say get the challenger out asap, Ford and DCX are starting to hit a stride where all of the 'old' will be gone from lineups in the very near future. Neon, Taurus, Stratus, etc are all going the way of the dodo-the cars people associate the 'brands' with. Bring on the new. No one at a stop light stares at the Accord at a traffic light admiring the fender flares. The momentum will change in the very near future.

 

On reflection, I like the Camaro redesign. Just seeing this in my rear view mirror might make me want to race.

I just do not see GM undercutting their Vette sales to make this car.

 

I agree that it seems the momentum might change for people who are interested in performance vehicles. However, that is a smaller % of the market than the market itself. I think that a much larger percentage is very much attracted to the perceived superior quality/reliability etc of imports.

With regard to the Challenger, i think if it comes close to production in a state similar to the concept, with similar performance #'s, I think ford should be concerned b/c it will no question cut into mustang sales, which at the moment is the only vehicle except the F-150 that ford can really count on...

Plus, it looks like the Challenger may well outperform a stang anyway, even with a stock 5.7 Hemi (~340hp i think with gobs of tq).

 

Well, cars like the Fusion and Edge are quite bold in the class it sits in, and underprices all of the competition, even hyundai. The Fusion actually stands out in trafffc too. Even the new dodge compact(forgot the name) has visual 'zip'. The new Camry, for example, looks like a rushed redo to go try to recapture sales lost to Hyundai. Toyota simply looks at what is capturing market share from a certain vehicle, and reskins the car with that car's styling features. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....