NHTSA opens investigation into transmission problems
9/30/11, 02:24 PM
#621
A Man Just Needs Some....
There are two issues here.
1: Gear lock out at high rpm's and grinding into gear is a legit problem. This should be repaired.
2: Manual mustang transmission making a whining noise. Not necessarily a problem. May be a characteristic of the trans. I'm on my 4th manual stang and also had 2 manual f- bodies. They make noise.
The problem here is a few people commented on a whining noise and thought it was a problem. Now everybody else is listening for a whine and everybody has a problem. Some manual transmissions make noise. If they shift smooth and are not drowning out you radio, you may have to live with it.
1: Gear lock out at high rpm's and grinding into gear is a legit problem. This should be repaired.
2: Manual mustang transmission making a whining noise. Not necessarily a problem. May be a characteristic of the trans. I'm on my 4th manual stang and also had 2 manual f- bodies. They make noise.
The problem here is a few people commented on a whining noise and thought it was a problem. Now everybody else is listening for a whine and everybody has a problem. Some manual transmissions make noise. If they shift smooth and are not drowning out you radio, you may have to live with it.
9/30/11, 02:35 PM
#622
A Man Just Needs Some....
If it's an excessive noise, there could be something to it. But they all make noise. Nature of the beast gear to gear. Lubricating agents may help some but not completely. Questions have to be asked. What gears, speeds, pulling, coasting to further diagnose.
9/30/11, 03:40 PM
#625
I'm sick and tired of sifting through trash on the AFM boards. You can't speak freely there and if you try, you get chased out of there. If you don't have a "catastrophic failure" then you're an idiot, by their logic. It's pathetic really, and makes the ENTIRE Mustang community look bad as a result.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
9/30/11, 03:48 PM
#626
GT Member
Join Date: May 27, 2010
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm sick and tired of sifting through trash on the AFM boards. You can't speak freely there and if you try, you get chased out of there. If you don't have a "catastrophic failure" then you're an idiot, by their logic. It's pathetic really, and makes the ENTIRE Mustang community look bad as a result.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
9/30/11, 03:54 PM
#627
A Man Just Needs Some....
The problem lies with Getrag. Not Ford and not necessarily the Chinese. Getrag won the bid to build and supply ford transmission for the new mustangs. Ford saved a buck for sure and may have to pay for it in the end. Maybe just a bad design on an engineering side of things. Maybe wrong materials were used. All engineering issues and they are not gonna redesign a new trans to take care of your problems. They will "band-aid" fix it the cheapest way possible. The MT-82 will probably be replaced with another model trans in the next stang. Its a crappy situation but that is how it's gonna happen. Everybody is not gonna get a new transmission and the band-aid will be there to get you through your factory warranty.
Last edited by AlsCobra; 9/30/11 at 03:55 PM.
9/30/11, 04:40 PM
#628
Mach 1 Member
Join Date: September 22, 2009
Posts: 527
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The problem lies with Getrag. Not Ford and not necessarily the Chinese. Getrag won the bid to build and supply ford transmission for the new mustangs. Ford saved a buck for sure and may have to pay for it in the end. Maybe just a bad design on an engineering side of things. Maybe wrong materials were used. All engineering issues and they are not gonna redesign a new trans to take care of your problems. They will "band-aid" fix it the cheapest way possible. The MT-82 will probably be replaced with another model trans in the next stang. Its a crappy situation but that is how it's gonna happen. Everybody is not gonna get a new transmission and the band-aid will be there to get you through your factory warranty.
I have a toy that I can't play with. If I do want to play with it, I have to listen to an annoying transmission and a knocking engine. Needless to say, I'll probably drop the car once I've cut through the negative equity. Unfortunate, considering the car is freakishly awesome in every way except it's drivetrain.
I've long held that I don't fault ford for producing my car. it's mass produced, things happen. However it's been a royal pain to deal with ford on these issues and they are unwilling to do proper diagnosis to ascertain any issues on my car. That's where Ford gets an F from me.
9/30/11, 04:58 PM
#629
Al, you're absolutely right.
I also agree with dealing with Ford regarding warranty issues. I haven't been overly thrilled with how things have been handled with a clunk in the driveline on my car. It took me escalating the situation and taking the shop foreman for a ride to simply acknowledge the issue, then, after a week of trying to replicate it, it was simply "can't replicate, return to customer". I'm going to bite the bullet and look into it myself over the weekend, but the point is, my dealer has been decent with me. There are horror stories from dealers who are so misinformed and diluted that they don't know which way is up. Look at all the misinformation and lies regarding FRPP parts and tunes. Scare tactics, faulty logic, and general ignorance don't help when there's a problem.
I also agree with dealing with Ford regarding warranty issues. I haven't been overly thrilled with how things have been handled with a clunk in the driveline on my car. It took me escalating the situation and taking the shop foreman for a ride to simply acknowledge the issue, then, after a week of trying to replicate it, it was simply "can't replicate, return to customer". I'm going to bite the bullet and look into it myself over the weekend, but the point is, my dealer has been decent with me. There are horror stories from dealers who are so misinformed and diluted that they don't know which way is up. Look at all the misinformation and lies regarding FRPP parts and tunes. Scare tactics, faulty logic, and general ignorance don't help when there's a problem.
9/30/11, 05:43 PM
#630
GT Member
Join Date: July 6, 2010
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think people here literally think that Jmatero has you in a trance, that your tranny is fine and he's just convinced you there's a problem.
They only have two arguments:
1) Jmatero is complaining a lot, so therefore he must just want the attention and there's no problem.
2) The majority of cars don't have problems, so why worry?
Remove jmatero from the equation people, there are still cars that need to be fixed. And many of them have had no luck with any combination of clutch/fluid/shifter changes.
And telling someone to just go straight to the BBB/lawyer? That's not very helpful either, I'm sure most people would still love to keep their car if they could be fixed.
And what's up with people stalking Jmatero and seeing when he logs in here? kinda creepy (as they put my name into google)
They only have two arguments:
1) Jmatero is complaining a lot, so therefore he must just want the attention and there's no problem.
2) The majority of cars don't have problems, so why worry?
Remove jmatero from the equation people, there are still cars that need to be fixed. And many of them have had no luck with any combination of clutch/fluid/shifter changes.
And telling someone to just go straight to the BBB/lawyer? That's not very helpful either, I'm sure most people would still love to keep their car if they could be fixed.
And what's up with people stalking Jmatero and seeing when he logs in here? kinda creepy (as they put my name into google)
Sure there are ligimitate problems. No one is denying that some 2011 Mustangs have had to have transmissions replaced. The fact is that a vast majority of these cars are running great and problem free. With every make of every car ever made there are lemons. The internet has made it seem like there are more lemons than before because these people now have a platform from where to preach. And yes, if a new car has gone through 3 transmissions it probably should be replaced. It is manmade, mistakes happen...
I am getting fed up with people thinking we have a problem with Matero because we think he is lying and we think the Mustang is flawless and undeniably awesome (this point is true and a FACT). No, we have a problem with the way the message is being presented and the false claims that he makes and how he berates those who present him with valid counter arguements. The sooner everyone on his side understands this fact, the sooner we can get back to helping those with problems.
9/30/11, 06:05 PM
#631
Spam Connoisseur
I got هَبوبed
I got هَبوبed
Join Date: September 8, 2009
Location: Sun City AZ
Posts: 9,705
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes
on
5 Posts
Listen, nobody has claimed that all cars are good and Matero and his ilk are making all this up. What we have a problem with is that clan claiming that "All Chinese made MT82s are crap and Ford rushed the new 5.0 Mustang to production which is why all these problems exist and anyone who denies that is an idiot".
Sure there are ligimitate problems. No one is denying that some 2011 Mustangs have had to have transmissions replaced. The fact is that a vast majority of these cars are running great and problem free. With every make of every car ever made there are lemons. The internet has made it seem like there are more lemons than before because these people now have a platform from where to preach. And yes, if a new car has gone through 3 transmissions it probably should be replaced. It is manmade, mistakes happen...
I am getting fed up with people thinking we have a problem with Matero because we think he is lying and we think the Mustang is flawless and undeniably awesome (this point is true and a FACT). No, we have a problem with the way the message is being presented and the false claims that he makes and how he berates those who present him with valid counter arguements. The sooner everyone on his side understands this fact, the sooner we can get back to helping those with problems.
Sure there are ligimitate problems. No one is denying that some 2011 Mustangs have had to have transmissions replaced. The fact is that a vast majority of these cars are running great and problem free. With every make of every car ever made there are lemons. The internet has made it seem like there are more lemons than before because these people now have a platform from where to preach. And yes, if a new car has gone through 3 transmissions it probably should be replaced. It is manmade, mistakes happen...
I am getting fed up with people thinking we have a problem with Matero because we think he is lying and we think the Mustang is flawless and undeniably awesome (this point is true and a FACT). No, we have a problem with the way the message is being presented and the false claims that he makes and how he berates those who present him with valid counter arguements. The sooner everyone on his side understands this fact, the sooner we can get back to helping those with problems.
STOP BEING A DRAMA QUEEN AND CRY WOLF.. ITS NOT HELPING!
Last edited by Flagstang; 10/1/11 at 12:49 PM.
9/30/11, 08:24 PM
#632
Cobra Member
Listen, nobody has claimed that all cars are good and Matero and his ilk are making all this up. What we have a problem with is that clan claiming that "All Chinese made MT82s are crap and Ford rushed the new 5.0 Mustang to production which is why all these problems exist and anyone who denies that is an idiot".
Sure there are ligimitate problems. No one is denying that some 2011 Mustangs have had to have transmissions replaced. The fact is that a vast majority of these cars are running great and problem free. With every make of every car ever made there are lemons. The internet has made it seem like there are more lemons than before because these people now have a platform from where to preach. And yes, if a new car has gone through 3 transmissions it probably should be replaced. It is manmade, mistakes happen...
I am getting fed up with people thinking we have a problem with Matero because we think he is lying and we think the Mustang is flawless and undeniably awesome (this point is true and a FACT). No, we have a problem with the way the message is being presented and the false claims that he makes and how he berates those who present him with valid counter arguements. The sooner everyone on his side understands this fact, the sooner we can get back to helping those with problems.
Sure there are ligimitate problems. No one is denying that some 2011 Mustangs have had to have transmissions replaced. The fact is that a vast majority of these cars are running great and problem free. With every make of every car ever made there are lemons. The internet has made it seem like there are more lemons than before because these people now have a platform from where to preach. And yes, if a new car has gone through 3 transmissions it probably should be replaced. It is manmade, mistakes happen...
I am getting fed up with people thinking we have a problem with Matero because we think he is lying and we think the Mustang is flawless and undeniably awesome (this point is true and a FACT). No, we have a problem with the way the message is being presented and the false claims that he makes and how he berates those who present him with valid counter arguements. The sooner everyone on his side understands this fact, the sooner we can get back to helping those with problems.
9/30/11, 09:22 PM
#633
V6 Member
I'm sick and tired of sifting through trash on the AFM boards. You can't speak freely there and if you try, you get chased out of there. If you don't have a "catastrophic failure" then you're an idiot, by their logic. It's pathetic really, and makes the ENTIRE Mustang community look bad as a result.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
I'll say this; skip shift is a problem IMO. Taking it off via a tune is a massive improvement in the function of the shifter. I suggest that to anyone. Personally, I hope Ford removes it here in the future to see if the results go down. I agree, it shouldn't be like this where a new vehicle has issues, but you can only test so much before people find things that engineers may not have thought of (and this happens in all areas). Ford, on the other hand, could release a bunch of stop gap fixes that may or may not resolve anything (the QDC fluid was one) but may either mask one situation, but expose another. If you can't find the root cause, it's not worth trying to push to market a band-aid solution. That's why the NHTSA will set it straight if there's a root cause, and what will be done for owners.
Jmatero's logic that "Chinese built MT82s = crap" is the most asinine logic I've ever seen. If you want to fixate on an opinion, then be my guest. Prancing around the internet spewing ridiculous banter isn't going to help anyone. That's why he, and his band of cronies at AFM, are doing the entire community no good.
9/30/11, 09:45 PM
#634
Cobra Member
Join Date: December 7, 2010
Location: Panama City, Fl.
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
5 Posts
It is very hard to "make" it kick in. I found shifting to 2nd at about 1700 rpm and very gentle acceleration from the stop while making a normal in town right turn from a light was the most it happened. Usually following some granny in an old Taurus.......putt putt putt...
I unplugged mine at about 1000 miles and have no tranny issues. Not necessary to get a tune to deactivate it. Unplugged is a definite way to fix it.
I unplugged mine at about 1000 miles and have no tranny issues. Not necessary to get a tune to deactivate it. Unplugged is a definite way to fix it.
Last edited by AzPete; 9/30/11 at 09:46 PM.
10/1/11, 12:16 AM
#636
V6 Member
Join Date: July 15, 2011
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You have no clue how service side and manufacturers do things. I've truely never seen any manufacture come and say they have a issue to the public. It's so easy to sit there spew BS I like to see you back it up in court. I'm sure Ford could sue I'm ok for someone to give there opinion but to go on and on about it treating it as fact with no proof is another thing. One person saying something do get others to think they have the same problem.
I think some there driving style don't fit MT-82 trans especially the ones who came out of front wheel drive car.
If you want to see company who just had to recall 590,000 engines 07-current because of emission and software not right see caterpiller accert engines. Just about every one had problems no power or bad fuel mileage or both. Is it there fault they tried to make owners happy but got caught. That EPA put them in this box because they moved up emission standards 3yrs putting all of them in a bine.
10/1/11, 12:22 AM
#637
GT Member
Join Date: May 27, 2010
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
THAT right there makes you sound just like jmatero......
You have no clue how service side and manufacturers do things. I've truely never seen any manufacture come and say they have a issue to the public. It's so easy to sit there spew BS I like to see you back it up in court. I'm sure Ford could sue I'm ok for someone to give there opinion but to go on and on about it treating it as fact with no proof is another thing. One person saying something do get others to think they have the same problem.
I think some there driving style don't fit MT-82 trans especially the ones who came out of front wheel drive car.
If you want to see company who just had to recall 590,000 engines 07-current because of emission and software not right see caterpiller accert engines. Just about every one had problems no power or bad fuel mileage or both. Is it there fault they tried to make owners happy but got caught. That EPA put them in this box because they moved up emission standards 3yrs putting all of them in a bine.
You have no clue how service side and manufacturers do things. I've truely never seen any manufacture come and say they have a issue to the public. It's so easy to sit there spew BS I like to see you back it up in court. I'm sure Ford could sue I'm ok for someone to give there opinion but to go on and on about it treating it as fact with no proof is another thing. One person saying something do get others to think they have the same problem.
I think some there driving style don't fit MT-82 trans especially the ones who came out of front wheel drive car.
If you want to see company who just had to recall 590,000 engines 07-current because of emission and software not right see caterpiller accert engines. Just about every one had problems no power or bad fuel mileage or both. Is it there fault they tried to make owners happy but got caught. That EPA put them in this box because they moved up emission standards 3yrs putting all of them in a bine.
10/1/11, 12:50 AM
#638
A Man Just Needs Some....
Blah blah blah blah. Jmatero jmatero jmatero jmatero. You bought a first year new model. You got problems. Ford will get to it one day. It ain't that bad. It could be worse.
10/1/11, 01:41 AM
#639
GT Member
Join Date: May 27, 2010
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually no, there are no problems, except for the cheap interior which a Mustang has always had... and the cup holders.
10/1/11, 06:32 AM
#640
GT Member
Join Date: July 10, 2010
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So, you obviously ignored their requests by repeatedly posting here...so do us a favor and show us this communication where they asked you to stop posting so you could get better service?