NHTSA opens investigation into transmission problems
8/10/11, 09:10 AM
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There seems to be an influx of 4&5 lockouts posted lately.
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8/10/11, 09:12 AM
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Just wondering how they are going to do this investigation, as its not like the Toyota investigation where they can just take the "effected cars" and test them for out of control acceleration. They cant look at the already effected transmissions because the most they can conclude is that these are already broken, and they could maybe determine the mechanism but i don't know if that will be conclusive to whether they are all effected/defective. Maybe they could examine the materials in the metals and see if the chinese are pulling their "put lead where there should't be" trick.
The only way i can figure whether or not they can rule out driver abuse/error is to take a random sample of cars from ford and drive them for several thousand miles until the grinding/notching starts but with even a failure rate of 2-5% they would need at least 20-30 cars to test as anyone who has been to vegas knows with only a 3% chance of winning you can still win several spins in a row.
Although i will submit I'm only 21 and not a mechanic in the least sense, only did welding an highschool, so i have next to experince on how they would handle this sort of thing. Just wanted your guys 2 cents on the way they are going to test examine these transmissions.
The only way i can figure whether or not they can rule out driver abuse/error is to take a random sample of cars from ford and drive them for several thousand miles until the grinding/notching starts but with even a failure rate of 2-5% they would need at least 20-30 cars to test as anyone who has been to vegas knows with only a 3% chance of winning you can still win several spins in a row.
Although i will submit I'm only 21 and not a mechanic in the least sense, only did welding an highschool, so i have next to experince on how they would handle this sort of thing. Just wanted your guys 2 cents on the way they are going to test examine these transmissions.
8/10/11, 09:12 AM
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8/10/11, 12:11 PM
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mine is 4th gear only, and then only at high rpm. when cruising it appears to work splendidly. I put these up over on the boss section a while back, but this is as good a video as I have that shows the issue. this was at eagle canyon raceway a couple months back and the first time the issue happened for me.
The vids aren't of the inside of the car and only show the track, but you can hear what is going on. the first video is part one of the 20 minute session. you can see until roughly the 7:30 point on part 1 the shifting is perfect, no issues at all. i put this up mostly so you can see that I am capable of driving a stick. My speed, shift points, and shifting style didn't change, the car simply suddenly stopped shifting into fourth and after fighting with the shifter it shot me into 6th gear.
what you cant see is that i am working the clutch in those pauses between 3rd and slipping into 6th and trying to get the shifter to go into 4th. the first few times it happened i though i was fracking up a shift so i didn't say anything. the longer the session went and the more i looked at what i was doing is when i noted the clutch pedal was stuck when it was going this. IIRC the second part is where I am complaining to the instructor that the shifting doesn't feel right and he is offering suggestions. he couldn't see my feet either to note that the pedal was sticking but at one point when he was telling me to try flicking it into gear i told him the pedal didn't feel right.
after this i swapped the fluid from the stock dot 3 to dot 4 hoping it would fix the situation and it didn't. the problem also started happening on the street as well. this track day was only a few weeks after i got the car (this is 0333 if some of you are wondering) and it still had the dealer plates on it. i point that out because it was the first time i really pushed the car hard and the first two sessions, admittedly a lot slower than this last session, i didn't have problems. the car did have the 1000 miles on it ford says before competition driving. also note this was a hot day, temps on the track were nearly 100 with roughly 95 ambient and a ton of humidity.
edit: I forgot about the part where i said the traction control was on, the little wrench light was on in the cluster and i didn't know why. I was down to about 40miles of fuel after this session and when i stopped to fill it up at the track pumps the car wouldn't start. When i popped the hood the negative battery cable had come off the battery post which is why the cluster was all lit up.
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8/10/11, 12:46 PM
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While at the track at high rpm shifting from 3rd gear my car wouldnt go into 4th, although it slipped right back into second. I thought I was in 4th and the tires locked up and the car almost spun around....I manged to push the clutch back in quickly and dont appear to have hurt anything (luckily the tires were skipping and didnt get enough traction to over rev the engine). I made a second pass and sure enough it did it again, this time I was more prepared. I made it a point to leave the clutch all the way in and pull firmly straight back on the shifter handle. It went into 2nd like the skip shift makes it go into 4th from first. Not really rough just a tad more effort. Something you'd never notice when shifting quickly.
If thats not a safety issue that could kill someone I have NO IDEA what is.
I installed a steeda shifter yesterday hopefully it wont do it anymore.
If thats not a safety issue that could kill someone I have NO IDEA what is.
I installed a steeda shifter yesterday hopefully it wont do it anymore.
8/10/11, 03:17 PM
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While at the track at high rpm shifting from 3rd gear my car wouldnt go into 4th, although it slipped right back into second. I thought I was in 4th and the tires locked up and the car almost spun around....I manged to push the clutch back in quickly and dont appear to have hurt anything (luckily the tires were skipping and didnt get enough traction to over rev the engine). I made a second pass and sure enough it did it again, this time I was more prepared. I made it a point to leave the clutch all the way in and pull firmly straight back on the shifter handle. It went into 2nd like the skip shift makes it go into 4th from first. Not really rough just a tad more effort. Something you'd never notice when shifting quickly.
If thats not a safety issue that could kill someone I have NO IDEA what is.
I installed a steeda shifter yesterday hopefully it wont do it anymore.
If thats not a safety issue that could kill someone I have NO IDEA what is.
I installed a steeda shifter yesterday hopefully it wont do it anymore.
...all of the engineers are aware of a transmission issue...
???
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8/10/11, 05:04 PM
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NEW NHTSA REPORTS - 8/10/11
Today's submissions to the NHTSA are posted below. It appears dealers are now posting on behalf of owners which is fabulous.
2012 MUSTANGS
2011 MUSTANGS
2012 MUSTANGS
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2012 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE GETS STUCK WHEN TRYING TO SHIFT IN AND OUT OF FIFTH GEAR. THE CONTACT HAS TAKEN THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER AND WAS TOLD THIS A KNOWN ISSUE, BUT THERE NOT A FIX AT THIS TIME. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 1,700. RL
Summary:
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2012 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE GETS STUCK WHEN TRYING TO SHIFT IN AND OUT OF FIFTH GEAR. THE CONTACT HAS TAKEN THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER AND WAS TOLD THIS A KNOWN ISSUE, BUT THERE NOT A FIX AT THIS TIME. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 1,700. RL
Component: POWER TRAIN
Summary:
SHIFTS BETWEEN 1ST TO 2ND, 2ND TO 3RD, AND 3RD TO 4TH CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENGAGE WHEN ACCELERATING. ON MANY OCCASIONS MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO ENGAGE GEARS MUST BE MADE.
Summary:
SHIFTS BETWEEN 1ST TO 2ND, 2ND TO 3RD, AND 3RD TO 4TH CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENGAGE WHEN ACCELERATING. ON MANY OCCASIONS MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO ENGAGE GEARS MUST BE MADE.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
I OWN A 2012 MUSTANG, PURCHASED 06/13/11 .I HAVE HAD THE CAR FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE CAR. THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CARE ON THE SECOND WEEK I BOUGHT THE CAR, IT STAYED ON FOR A DAY THEN WENT AWAY , I FIGURED IT WAY BAD GAS, BUT I MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG. THE TRANSMISSION HAS BEEN VERY NOTCHY WHEN SHIFTING FROM FIRST TO SECOND GEAR EVER SINCE I PURCHASED THE CAR. NORMALLY THIS NOTCHYNESS GOES AWAY WHEN THE CAR IS WARMED UP , I TRY TO BABY IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN FEAR OF DAMAGING THE TRANSMISSION. ON TWO OCCASIONS, WHEN SHIFTING FROM FIRST TO SECOND I HAVE HAD THE TRANSMISSION POP OUT OF SECOND GEAR, THIS WAS UNDER SLOW ACCELERATION. LUCKILY THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED IN MY WORK PARKING LOT AND NOT WHEN MERGING ONTO TRAFFIC OR PULLING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY , ETC.. WHERE IT COULD BE A MAJOR SAFETY CONCERN. I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE CLUTCH IS VERY NOISY AND ROUGH WHEN ENGAGING/DISENGAGING , IT FEELS AS IF SOMETHING IS LOOSE OR NOT WORKING PROPERLY. THIS NOISE WORRIES ME, AS I DON'T RECALL HEARING/FEELING IT ON THE CARS I TEST DROVE BEFORE THIS PURCHASE. THIS NEXT ISSUE IS AN ODD PROBLEM BUT A PROBLEM NON THE LESS, I HAVE HAD MY EMERGENCY FLASHERS TURN BY THEMSELVES WHEN I ADJUST MY AC/HEAT SETTINGS, THIS HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES SINCE PURCHASE AND IS ANNOYING. THE MOST RECENT PROBLEM HAPPENED LAST SUNDAY WHEN I WAS ON THE HIGHWAY IN 5TH GEAR, I WENT TO ACCELERATE BUT THE CAR DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, THE RPMS INCREASED HOWEVER THE CAR DID NOT MOVE FASTER.. IT SEEMED TO NOT HAVE POWER AFTER 3K RMPS . I SHIFTED INTO 4TH AND TRIED TO ACCELERATE, SAME THING, NO POWER. I SHIFTED BACK INTO 5TH AND CONTINUED TO DRIVE HOME WORRIED ABOUT MY CARS HEALTH AND MY SAFETY..... FEW MINUTES LATER THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. THANKFULLY, I MADE IT HOME WITH NO PROBLEMS .BUT THE CAR IS STILL NOT RUNNING RIGHT. I AM BRINGING THE CAR INTO FORD THIS WEDNESDAY AND I WILL LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS I HAVE BEEN HAVING. MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLOW
Summary:
I OWN A 2012 MUSTANG, PURCHASED 06/13/11 .I HAVE HAD THE CAR FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE CAR. THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CARE ON THE SECOND WEEK I BOUGHT THE CAR, IT STAYED ON FOR A DAY THEN WENT AWAY , I FIGURED IT WAY BAD GAS, BUT I MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG. THE TRANSMISSION HAS BEEN VERY NOTCHY WHEN SHIFTING FROM FIRST TO SECOND GEAR EVER SINCE I PURCHASED THE CAR. NORMALLY THIS NOTCHYNESS GOES AWAY WHEN THE CAR IS WARMED UP , I TRY TO BABY IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN FEAR OF DAMAGING THE TRANSMISSION. ON TWO OCCASIONS, WHEN SHIFTING FROM FIRST TO SECOND I HAVE HAD THE TRANSMISSION POP OUT OF SECOND GEAR, THIS WAS UNDER SLOW ACCELERATION. LUCKILY THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED IN MY WORK PARKING LOT AND NOT WHEN MERGING ONTO TRAFFIC OR PULLING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY , ETC.. WHERE IT COULD BE A MAJOR SAFETY CONCERN. I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE CLUTCH IS VERY NOISY AND ROUGH WHEN ENGAGING/DISENGAGING , IT FEELS AS IF SOMETHING IS LOOSE OR NOT WORKING PROPERLY. THIS NOISE WORRIES ME, AS I DON'T RECALL HEARING/FEELING IT ON THE CARS I TEST DROVE BEFORE THIS PURCHASE. THIS NEXT ISSUE IS AN ODD PROBLEM BUT A PROBLEM NON THE LESS, I HAVE HAD MY EMERGENCY FLASHERS TURN BY THEMSELVES WHEN I ADJUST MY AC/HEAT SETTINGS, THIS HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES SINCE PURCHASE AND IS ANNOYING. THE MOST RECENT PROBLEM HAPPENED LAST SUNDAY WHEN I WAS ON THE HIGHWAY IN 5TH GEAR, I WENT TO ACCELERATE BUT THE CAR DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, THE RPMS INCREASED HOWEVER THE CAR DID NOT MOVE FASTER.. IT SEEMED TO NOT HAVE POWER AFTER 3K RMPS . I SHIFTED INTO 4TH AND TRIED TO ACCELERATE, SAME THING, NO POWER. I SHIFTED BACK INTO 5TH AND CONTINUED TO DRIVE HOME WORRIED ABOUT MY CARS HEALTH AND MY SAFETY..... FEW MINUTES LATER THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. THANKFULLY, I MADE IT HOME WITH NO PROBLEMS .BUT THE CAR IS STILL NOT RUNNING RIGHT. I AM BRINGING THE CAR INTO FORD THIS WEDNESDAY AND I WILL LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS I HAVE BEEN HAVING. MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLOW
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2012 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE WILL NOT GO INTO GEAR AT HIGH SPEEDS. THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE HAS PROBLEMS GOING INTO RANDOM GEARS. THE CONTACT HAD TAKEN THE VEHICLE INTO THE DEALER SEVERAL TIMES, BUT THE DEALER HAD NOT FOUND THE CAUSE OF THE FAILURE. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 100 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 6,000.RL
Summary:
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2012 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE WILL NOT GO INTO GEAR AT HIGH SPEEDS. THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE HAS PROBLEMS GOING INTO RANDOM GEARS. THE CONTACT HAD TAKEN THE VEHICLE INTO THE DEALER SEVERAL TIMES, BUT THE DEALER HAD NOT FOUND THE CAUSE OF THE FAILURE. THE VIN WAS UNKNOWN. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 100 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 6,000.RL
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
I AM HEREBY LODGING A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE MT82 TRANSMISSION IM MY 2012 V6 FORD MUSTANG, AND YOU MAY ALSO INCLUDE MY 2011 V6 MUSTANG AS WELL, AS IT ALSO SUFFERED THE SAME PROBLEM. THE DATE GIVEN IS NOT THE 1ST, NOR WILL IT BE THE LAST TIME THIS HAS OCCURRED. 99% OF THE TIME..IT SHIFTS FINE, HOWEVER...SOMETIMES AT LOW SPEED THE TRANS WILL 'GRAB' THE TEETH OR GRIND WHILE SHIFTING AND SHIFTING AT SPEED(ENTERING A HIGHWAY OR PASSING SLOWER TRAFFIC)WILL RESULT IN GEAR 'LOCKOUT' AND OVER REVVING....MOSTLY ON UPSHIFTS, BUT SOMETIMES ON DOWNSHIFTING TOO. I KNOW I AM ONE OF A GROWING LIST(AND AN 18 YEAR FORD DEALER EMPLOYEE)OF MUSTANG OWNERS EXPERIENCING THIS PROBLEM...FORD NEEDS TO GET ON THIS BEFORE THEIR REPUTATION AND THE MUSTANG HERITAGE BECOMES TARNISHED!!
Summary:
I AM HEREBY LODGING A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE MT82 TRANSMISSION IM MY 2012 V6 FORD MUSTANG, AND YOU MAY ALSO INCLUDE MY 2011 V6 MUSTANG AS WELL, AS IT ALSO SUFFERED THE SAME PROBLEM. THE DATE GIVEN IS NOT THE 1ST, NOR WILL IT BE THE LAST TIME THIS HAS OCCURRED. 99% OF THE TIME..IT SHIFTS FINE, HOWEVER...SOMETIMES AT LOW SPEED THE TRANS WILL 'GRAB' THE TEETH OR GRIND WHILE SHIFTING AND SHIFTING AT SPEED(ENTERING A HIGHWAY OR PASSING SLOWER TRAFFIC)WILL RESULT IN GEAR 'LOCKOUT' AND OVER REVVING....MOSTLY ON UPSHIFTS, BUT SOMETIMES ON DOWNSHIFTING TOO. I KNOW I AM ONE OF A GROWING LIST(AND AN 18 YEAR FORD DEALER EMPLOYEE)OF MUSTANG OWNERS EXPERIENCING THIS PROBLEM...FORD NEEDS TO GET ON THIS BEFORE THEIR REPUTATION AND THE MUSTANG HERITAGE BECOMES TARNISHED!!
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
TRANSMISSION IN MY 2011 FORD MUSTANG GT 6-SPEED MANUAL, (PRESENTLY @ 4900 MILES)HAS ISSUES OF TRYING TO ENTER SECOND GEAR ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS. AS WELL AS A TERRIBLE WHINING NOISE STARTED AROUND LATE 3000MILES.
Summary:
TRANSMISSION IN MY 2011 FORD MUSTANG GT 6-SPEED MANUAL, (PRESENTLY @ 4900 MILES)HAS ISSUES OF TRYING TO ENTER SECOND GEAR ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS. AS WELL AS A TERRIBLE WHINING NOISE STARTED AROUND LATE 3000MILES.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
VEHICLE TRANSMISSION REFUSES TO GO IN TO REVERSE AT TIMES. ALSO GRINDS EVERYTIME WHILE SHIFTING IN TO 2ND GEAR FROM 1ST GEAR, MAINLY WHILE TURNING CORNERS BUT ALSO WHEN GOING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. TRANSMISSIONS PERFORMANCE DOES NOT IMPROVE AFTER COMING TO NORMAL OPERATING TEMPATURE. TRANSMISSION IS CLUNKY AND JUST DOES NOT SHIFT PROPERLY. NOT SMOOTH, NOT NEW CAR LIKE.
Summary:
VEHICLE TRANSMISSION REFUSES TO GO IN TO REVERSE AT TIMES. ALSO GRINDS EVERYTIME WHILE SHIFTING IN TO 2ND GEAR FROM 1ST GEAR, MAINLY WHILE TURNING CORNERS BUT ALSO WHEN GOING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. TRANSMISSIONS PERFORMANCE DOES NOT IMPROVE AFTER COMING TO NORMAL OPERATING TEMPATURE. TRANSMISSION IS CLUNKY AND JUST DOES NOT SHIFT PROPERLY. NOT SMOOTH, NOT NEW CAR LIKE.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
GOING ON 10,000 MILES ON 2011 MUSTANG GT WITH MANUAL 6-SPD. AT FIRST SHOWED VERY NOTCHY SHIFTING, AND GEARS WOULD GRIND WITH CLUTCH DEPRESSED COMPLETELY WHEN COLD. PROBLEM WENT AWAY ONCE THE TRANSMISSION WARMED UP. TOOK IT IN TO FORD DEALER, THEY CHANGED THE TRANSMISSION FLUID, NOW YOU CAN FEEL A VIBRATION AND WHIRR/GRINDING NOISE SOMETIMES IN 1ST-3RD. EXTREMELY NOTCHY NOW, WILL FREQUENTLY NOT ENGAGE A GEAR IF UNDER ACCELERATION. I HAVE HAD 2ND AND 3ERD GEAR REFUSE TO ENGAGE SEVERAL TIMES NOW WHILE ON A FREEWAY ONRAMP, WHEN PASSING, AND IN GENERAL HIGHER-THAN-NORMAL LOAD CONDITIONS.
Summary:
GOING ON 10,000 MILES ON 2011 MUSTANG GT WITH MANUAL 6-SPD. AT FIRST SHOWED VERY NOTCHY SHIFTING, AND GEARS WOULD GRIND WITH CLUTCH DEPRESSED COMPLETELY WHEN COLD. PROBLEM WENT AWAY ONCE THE TRANSMISSION WARMED UP. TOOK IT IN TO FORD DEALER, THEY CHANGED THE TRANSMISSION FLUID, NOW YOU CAN FEEL A VIBRATION AND WHIRR/GRINDING NOISE SOMETIMES IN 1ST-3RD. EXTREMELY NOTCHY NOW, WILL FREQUENTLY NOT ENGAGE A GEAR IF UNDER ACCELERATION. I HAVE HAD 2ND AND 3ERD GEAR REFUSE TO ENGAGE SEVERAL TIMES NOW WHILE ON A FREEWAY ONRAMP, WHEN PASSING, AND IN GENERAL HIGHER-THAN-NORMAL LOAD CONDITIONS.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
WHILE DRIVING MY 2011 MUSTANG GT WITH A MT82 TRANS IT CONTINUALLY GRINDS FROM 1ST TO 2ND GEAR EVEN IF YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND FINESSE IT..IT HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE I PURCHASED THIS CAR WITH 400 MILES ON THE CLOCK, AND IN THE COLD WEATHER FORGET IT AS YOU WILL NEVER GET IT TO WORK, IT IS A SHAME I HAD TO PURCHASE A WINTER CAR TO DRIVE AND HAVING TO PARK A NEW CAR JUST IS NOT RIGHT.
Summary:
WHILE DRIVING MY 2011 MUSTANG GT WITH A MT82 TRANS IT CONTINUALLY GRINDS FROM 1ST TO 2ND GEAR EVEN IF YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND FINESSE IT..IT HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE I PURCHASED THIS CAR WITH 400 MILES ON THE CLOCK, AND IN THE COLD WEATHER FORGET IT AS YOU WILL NEVER GET IT TO WORK, IT IS A SHAME I HAD TO PURCHASE A WINTER CAR TO DRIVE AND HAVING TO PARK A NEW CAR JUST IS NOT RIGHT.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
DURING HARD ACCELERATION, WITH CLUTCH FULLY DEPRESSED AND FOOT OFF THE GAS, CANNOT SHIFT INTO SECOND AND SOMETIMES THIRD GEAR. MUST SKIP DIRECTLY TO 4TH. THIS OCCURS EVEN UNDER FULL ACCELERATION, BUT NOT DURING EASY ACCELERATION. HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CLOSE CALLS BECAUSE OF THE INABILITY TO QUICKLY SHIFT TO SECOND OR THIRD. ALSO HAD ISSUES SHIFTING FROM SECOND TO THIRD UNDER HARD ACCELERATION.
Summary:
DURING HARD ACCELERATION, WITH CLUTCH FULLY DEPRESSED AND FOOT OFF THE GAS, CANNOT SHIFT INTO SECOND AND SOMETIMES THIRD GEAR. MUST SKIP DIRECTLY TO 4TH. THIS OCCURS EVEN UNDER FULL ACCELERATION, BUT NOT DURING EASY ACCELERATION. HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CLOSE CALLS BECAUSE OF THE INABILITY TO QUICKLY SHIFT TO SECOND OR THIRD. ALSO HAD ISSUES SHIFTING FROM SECOND TO THIRD UNDER HARD ACCELERATION.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
SINCE THE CAR HAS BEEN IN MY POSSESSION, 3RD GEAR HAS ALWAYS HAD ISSUES. IT GRINDS FROM TIME TO TIME, AND THE TRANSMISSION PUSHES ME OUT OF 3RD GEAR WHEN MY FOOT IS COMPLETELY DOWN ON THE CLUTCH. IT HAS ALSO DEVELOPED AN INCREASINGLY LOUD WHINING NOISE THROUGHOUT ALL THE GEARS WHILE ACCELERATING. THE SHIFTS WHEN COLD ARE ROUGH, DOESN'T FEEL AS IT SHOULD.
Summary:
SINCE THE CAR HAS BEEN IN MY POSSESSION, 3RD GEAR HAS ALWAYS HAD ISSUES. IT GRINDS FROM TIME TO TIME, AND THE TRANSMISSION PUSHES ME OUT OF 3RD GEAR WHEN MY FOOT IS COMPLETELY DOWN ON THE CLUTCH. IT HAS ALSO DEVELOPED AN INCREASINGLY LOUD WHINING NOISE THROUGHOUT ALL THE GEARS WHILE ACCELERATING. THE SHIFTS WHEN COLD ARE ROUGH, DOESN'T FEEL AS IT SHOULD.
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
I PURCHASED MY 2011 FORD MUSTANG V6 IN SEP 2010. WHEN THE WEATHER GOT COLD (APPROX LATE NOV), I BEGAN TO NOTICE THAT SHIFTING THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION FROM 1ST GEAR TO 2ND GEAR WHEN LEAVING HOME IN THE MORNING, OR LEAVING WORK AT THE END OF THE DAY, ENGAGING 2ND GEAR WAS VERY DIFFICULT. WHENEVER THE WEATHER WAS BELOW FREEZING, AND THE CAR WAS FIRST DRIVEN AFTER COLD START, IT WOULD EXHIBIT THIS BEHAVIOR. I BROUGHT MY CAR TO ME DEALER FOR THIS AND ANOTHER ISSUE (KNOWN AS "COLD ENGINE TICK" - UNIQUE TO V6). THE DEALER HAD DIFFICULTY SOLVING THE COLD TICK ISSUE, BUT ULTIMATELY DID. THE DEALER TOLD ME THERE WAS NO TSB OR SSM FOR THE TRANSMISSION ISSUE AND TO CHECK BACK PERIODICALLY. THOUGH I REQUESTED THE DEALER TO DOCUMENT THE COMPLAINT AT THAT TIME, THEY DID NOT. WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THE LAG TIME REQUIRED TO SHIFT INTO 2ND GEAR WHEN PULLING AWAY FROM A RED LIGHT WITH TRAFFIC BEHIND ME. TWICE I WAS NEARLY REAR-ENDED AS A RESULT OF THIS (I CAN ACCELERATE WELL IN 1ST, THEN SUDDENTLY, I'M COASTING TO A STOP WHILE FIGHTING TO GET THE CAR INTO 2ND GEAR - BY THE WAY, THE V6 DOES NOT HAVE A SKIP SHIFT FEATURE). ONLY 2ND GEAR EXHIBITS THIS ISSUE, AND ONLY WHEN THE AMBIENT TEMP IS BELOW FREEZING AND THE CAR HASN'T BEEN DRIVEN FROM MORE THAN ABOUT 5 MILES. AFTER ABOUT 5 MILES IT SEEMS THE TRANMISSION WARMS AND THE DIFFICULTY SHIFTING IS REDUCED (THOUGH 2ND GEAR ALWAYS HAS MORE RESISTANCE THAN THE OTHER 5 GEARS).
Summary:
I PURCHASED MY 2011 FORD MUSTANG V6 IN SEP 2010. WHEN THE WEATHER GOT COLD (APPROX LATE NOV), I BEGAN TO NOTICE THAT SHIFTING THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION FROM 1ST GEAR TO 2ND GEAR WHEN LEAVING HOME IN THE MORNING, OR LEAVING WORK AT THE END OF THE DAY, ENGAGING 2ND GEAR WAS VERY DIFFICULT. WHENEVER THE WEATHER WAS BELOW FREEZING, AND THE CAR WAS FIRST DRIVEN AFTER COLD START, IT WOULD EXHIBIT THIS BEHAVIOR. I BROUGHT MY CAR TO ME DEALER FOR THIS AND ANOTHER ISSUE (KNOWN AS "COLD ENGINE TICK" - UNIQUE TO V6). THE DEALER HAD DIFFICULTY SOLVING THE COLD TICK ISSUE, BUT ULTIMATELY DID. THE DEALER TOLD ME THERE WAS NO TSB OR SSM FOR THE TRANSMISSION ISSUE AND TO CHECK BACK PERIODICALLY. THOUGH I REQUESTED THE DEALER TO DOCUMENT THE COMPLAINT AT THAT TIME, THEY DID NOT. WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THE LAG TIME REQUIRED TO SHIFT INTO 2ND GEAR WHEN PULLING AWAY FROM A RED LIGHT WITH TRAFFIC BEHIND ME. TWICE I WAS NEARLY REAR-ENDED AS A RESULT OF THIS (I CAN ACCELERATE WELL IN 1ST, THEN SUDDENTLY, I'M COASTING TO A STOP WHILE FIGHTING TO GET THE CAR INTO 2ND GEAR - BY THE WAY, THE V6 DOES NOT HAVE A SKIP SHIFT FEATURE). ONLY 2ND GEAR EXHIBITS THIS ISSUE, AND ONLY WHEN THE AMBIENT TEMP IS BELOW FREEZING AND THE CAR HASN'T BEEN DRIVEN FROM MORE THAN ABOUT 5 MILES. AFTER ABOUT 5 MILES IT SEEMS THE TRANMISSION WARMS AND THE DIFFICULTY SHIFTING IS REDUCED (THOUGH 2ND GEAR ALWAYS HAS MORE RESISTANCE THAN THE OTHER 5 GEARS).
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
I ORIGINALLY TOOK MY 2011 MUSTANG TO THE FORD DEALER WITH A COMPLAINT OF VERY DIFFICULT 1-2 AND 2-3 SHIFTING IN COLD WEATHER (BELOW 30 DEGREES AMBIENT TEMPERATURE). FORD WAS AWARE OF THE PROBLEM (SPECIAL SERVICE MESSAGE 21661) AND SAID THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDED SOLUTION. THIS WAS NOT A SATISFACTORY SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, SO I TOOK THE CAR BACK ON MARCH 24TH, 2011AND REQUESTED THAT THEY CHANGE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID TO MOTORCRAFT FULL SYNTHETIC TRANSMISSION FLUID, JUST TO SEE IF IT HELPED. IT MADE THE PROBLEM LESS PRONOUNCED, BUT DID NOT SOLVE IT. ON APRIL 4TH, 2011 THE DEALERSHIP TOLD ME THAT FORD FINALLY CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDED SOLUTION FOR MY PROBLEM AND THAT I SHOULD BRING THE CAR IN TO HAVE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGED TO MOTORCRAFT DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION FLUID. THE DEALERSHIP CHANGED THE FLUID, BUT I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IF THE PROBLEM HAS GONE AWAY BECAUSE IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE MORNING TEMPERATURES ARE BELOW 30 DEGREES, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE THE FLUID WAS CHANGED THE SECOND TIME.
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I ORIGINALLY TOOK MY 2011 MUSTANG TO THE FORD DEALER WITH A COMPLAINT OF VERY DIFFICULT 1-2 AND 2-3 SHIFTING IN COLD WEATHER (BELOW 30 DEGREES AMBIENT TEMPERATURE). FORD WAS AWARE OF THE PROBLEM (SPECIAL SERVICE MESSAGE 21661) AND SAID THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDED SOLUTION. THIS WAS NOT A SATISFACTORY SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, SO I TOOK THE CAR BACK ON MARCH 24TH, 2011AND REQUESTED THAT THEY CHANGE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID TO MOTORCRAFT FULL SYNTHETIC TRANSMISSION FLUID, JUST TO SEE IF IT HELPED. IT MADE THE PROBLEM LESS PRONOUNCED, BUT DID NOT SOLVE IT. ON APRIL 4TH, 2011 THE DEALERSHIP TOLD ME THAT FORD FINALLY CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDED SOLUTION FOR MY PROBLEM AND THAT I SHOULD BRING THE CAR IN TO HAVE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGED TO MOTORCRAFT DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION FLUID. THE DEALERSHIP CHANGED THE FLUID, BUT I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IF THE PROBLEM HAS GONE AWAY BECAUSE IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE MORNING TEMPERATURES ARE BELOW 30 DEGREES, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE THE FLUID WAS CHANGED THE SECOND TIME.
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE
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2011 MUSTANG GT WITH MANUAL TRANSMISSION- INABILITY TO SHIFT INTO 3RD GEAR. IT ALMOST CAUSED AN ACCIDENT AS I WAS STUCK SLOWING DOWN INTO ON COMING TRAFFIC. THE CAR IS BEEN IN THE SHOP MULTIPLE TIMES. ALSO HAS SEVERE KNOCKING IN THE ENGINE THAT GOES WAY AFTER 5 MINUTES. FORD STATES THIS IS PISTON RATTLE AND THEY TRIED A SOFTWARE FIX. NOTHING HELPED.I'M AFRAID OF THE ENGINE DAMAGE OR CATASTROPHIC ENGINE FAILURE WHILE DRIVING. THERE ARE YOUTUBE VIDEOS POSTED LABELED 2011 MUSTANG KNOCK. FORD IS AWARE... THEY REFERRED ME TO IT(AT LEAST THE SERVICE TECH DID. FORD IS DOING NOTHING!!! THE CAR HAS BEEN IN THE SHOP 5-6 TIMES AND THERE IS UNDER 5000 MILES. THE CAR HAD ONLY 300 MILES ON IT WHEN THEY HAD TO REPLACE THE GAS TANK PUMP BECAUSE IT DROPPED TO ZERO AT WITH A HALF TANK OF GAS LEFT. THERE IS A BULLETIN ON THIS. HELP BEFORE SOME GETS HURT BY THE TRANSMISSION PROBLEM OR THE ENGINE BLOWING OUT!!!!
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2011 MUSTANG GT WITH MANUAL TRANSMISSION- INABILITY TO SHIFT INTO 3RD GEAR. IT ALMOST CAUSED AN ACCIDENT AS I WAS STUCK SLOWING DOWN INTO ON COMING TRAFFIC. THE CAR IS BEEN IN THE SHOP MULTIPLE TIMES. ALSO HAS SEVERE KNOCKING IN THE ENGINE THAT GOES WAY AFTER 5 MINUTES. FORD STATES THIS IS PISTON RATTLE AND THEY TRIED A SOFTWARE FIX. NOTHING HELPED.I'M AFRAID OF THE ENGINE DAMAGE OR CATASTROPHIC ENGINE FAILURE WHILE DRIVING. THERE ARE YOUTUBE VIDEOS POSTED LABELED 2011 MUSTANG KNOCK. FORD IS AWARE... THEY REFERRED ME TO IT(AT LEAST THE SERVICE TECH DID. FORD IS DOING NOTHING!!! THE CAR HAS BEEN IN THE SHOP 5-6 TIMES AND THERE IS UNDER 5000 MILES. THE CAR HAD ONLY 300 MILES ON IT WHEN THEY HAD TO REPLACE THE GAS TANK PUMP BECAUSE IT DROPPED TO ZERO AT WITH A HALF TANK OF GAS LEFT. THERE IS A BULLETIN ON THIS. HELP BEFORE SOME GETS HURT BY THE TRANSMISSION PROBLEM OR THE ENGINE BLOWING OUT!!!!
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
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TL - THE CONTACT OWNS A 2011 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS THE VEHICLE WAS HARD TO SHIFT INTO GEAR. THE CONTACT MENTIONED THAT HE HAD TO PUMP THE CLUTCH SEVERAL TIMES IN ORDER FOR THE VEHICLE TO SHIFT INTO FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD GEAR AND IT WOULD NOT SHIFT INTO REVERSE AT ALL UNLESS THE VEHICLE WAS COMPLETELY TURN OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A DEALER WHO DIAGNOSED THAT THE TRANSMISSION WAS MALFUNCTIONING AND THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING A SUITABLE REMEDY FOR THE FAILURE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 8,000 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 8,600. PM
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TL - THE CONTACT OWNS A 2011 FORD MUSTANG. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS THE VEHICLE WAS HARD TO SHIFT INTO GEAR. THE CONTACT MENTIONED THAT HE HAD TO PUMP THE CLUTCH SEVERAL TIMES IN ORDER FOR THE VEHICLE TO SHIFT INTO FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD GEAR AND IT WOULD NOT SHIFT INTO REVERSE AT ALL UNLESS THE VEHICLE WAS COMPLETELY TURN OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A DEALER WHO DIAGNOSED THAT THE TRANSMISSION WAS MALFUNCTIONING AND THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING A SUITABLE REMEDY FOR THE FAILURE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 8,000 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 8,600. PM
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
SEVERE GRINDING AND NOTCHINESS WHEN TRANSMISSION IS COLD. SECOND GEAR WILL NOT ENGAGE AT ANYTHING GREATER THAN 1500RPM. ENTERING A 50MPH ROAD REQUIRES SHIFTING FROM 1ST TO 3RD WHEN TRANSMISSION IS COLD. OFTEN TIME VEHICLE IS DIFFICULT TO GET BACK INTO 1ST GEAR AT A STOP LIGHT, EVEN AFTER 40 MINUTES OF STRAIGHT DRIVING - ISSUE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO COLD WEATHER.
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SEVERE GRINDING AND NOTCHINESS WHEN TRANSMISSION IS COLD. SECOND GEAR WILL NOT ENGAGE AT ANYTHING GREATER THAN 1500RPM. ENTERING A 50MPH ROAD REQUIRES SHIFTING FROM 1ST TO 3RD WHEN TRANSMISSION IS COLD. OFTEN TIME VEHICLE IS DIFFICULT TO GET BACK INTO 1ST GEAR AT A STOP LIGHT, EVEN AFTER 40 MINUTES OF STRAIGHT DRIVING - ISSUE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO COLD WEATHER.
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how many reports total have been reported to Ford??
also, dont wanna make a new thread and didnt find anything in the search... but can anyone tell me whats this thing about #8?? saw it in some other threads.. is it a fault w/ cylinder #8 or something?
also, dont wanna make a new thread and didnt find anything in the search... but can anyone tell me whats this thing about #8?? saw it in some other threads.. is it a fault w/ cylinder #8 or something?
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8/10/11, 05:40 PM
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Only Ford knows how many customers have come in complaining about shifting issues and only Ford knows how many clutches, flywheels, transmissions, pilot bearings, and CASES of QDC fluid have been installed in 2011/2012 Mustangs.
They claim they are going to cooperate fully with the NHTSA... and part of that process is turning that data over.
They claim they are going to cooperate fully with the NHTSA... and part of that process is turning that data over.
8/10/11, 05:43 PM
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"Where they let the cat out the bag was talking to a tech that i know personally. According to Ford these cars have a problem with the number 8 cycl not being picked up by the knock sensors and guess what folks thats how these cars add timing for diff octane fuels.they do more than previous years. Ford also said that they are seeing alot of cars lossing number 8 the same way (rolling the compression ring over the piston only on number 8)HMM sounds like a faulty product to me."
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8/10/11, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jmatero
Apparently, the number 8 cylinder takes the brunt of the heat from the exhaust system. If you install an aftermarket tune, timing and other "adjustments" can cause number 8 to blowout. And Ford will not fix it. (Understandable)
From what owners are saying, the repair job is between $6000-$8000.
So far, very few owners without tunes have reported the issue so it's clearly related to the aftermarket programming.
8/10/11, 06:05 PM
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8/10/11, 06:16 PM
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8/10/11, 07:50 PM
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I don't know if I should be viewing this thread at work (or at all) if you're going to be talking about trannys.
8/10/11, 08:04 PM
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GM has decided to take advantage of the situation by starting a new website on Manual Transmission Durability Testing and they posted a video today on YouTube.
Bulletproofing GM Manual Transmission Durability
GM DURABILITY TESTING
They didn't waste any time trying to attract Mustang shoppers passing due to the MT82 debacle.
Nice to see the carbon blockers.
Bulletproofing GM Manual Transmission Durability
GM DURABILITY TESTING
They didn't waste any time trying to attract Mustang shoppers passing due to the MT82 debacle.
Nice to see the carbon blockers.
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8/10/11, 09:53 PM
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GM has decided to take advantage of the situation by starting a new website on Manual Transmission Durability Testing and they posted a video today on YouTube.
Bulletproofing GM Manual Transmission Durability
GM DURABILITY TESTING
They didn't waste any time trying to attract Mustang shoppers passing due to the MT82 debacle.
Nice to see the carbon blockers.
Bulletproofing GM Manual Transmission Durability
GM DURABILITY TESTING
They didn't waste any time trying to attract Mustang shoppers passing due to the MT82 debacle.
Nice to see the carbon blockers.
8/10/11, 10:13 PM
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I assume his car was fixed? It only took 12 reports for GM to act. We're still waiting for Ford.