Ford responds to the NHTSA investigation/MT-82 problems: your fault
#161
Legacy TMS Member
If you don't trust Ford, have only test driven ONE 2011+ Mustang that was used, and don't own a Mustang, why are you even on this forum? I would think you have better things to do with your day than participate in discussions that you have no reason to be a part of, seeing you don't own the requisite vehicles.
#162
Cobra Member
#163
Legacy TMS Member
It is good that Ford has provided what they have. Two of the most important items in that response deal with all the engineering changes that were made and how big the affected population is, at least according to how Ford tracks it.
That is more educational that hearsay on the forums, where a lot of the information has been circulating ahead of this.
#165
Cobra R Member
Join Date: December 13, 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 1,708
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Have you even done any research on the rising cost of labor in China? It is predicted that because of the rising labor costs there, by 2015 it will be 70% of what it costs in the US, not including shipping costs to bring the goods overseas. Goverment mandated 15% a year wage increases are in effect. It is not as cheap as it used to be, just the work ethic of the Chinese people is much better than most of America, due to the high population (if you do your job poorly, there are 10 others to take your place happily.)
The MT-82 was designed by Getrag, a German company, with some guys who really know what they're doing. Compared to a 6060, I would take the MT-82 any day. Yes, there are some issues with the MT-82. Mine is going in tomorrow for a 5th gear grind. But i trust ford to fix it. Ford is addressing these issues, and good dealers are repairing things properly.
The MT-82 was designed by Getrag, a German company, with some guys who really know what they're doing. Compared to a 6060, I would take the MT-82 any day. Yes, there are some issues with the MT-82. Mine is going in tomorrow for a 5th gear grind. But i trust ford to fix it. Ford is addressing these issues, and good dealers are repairing things properly.
"We agreed to it," said Ford union leader Juan Jose Sosa Arreola. "We need to be more competitive. That's the truth. That's a reality."
The United Auto Workers union had hoped to preserve American jobs by offering a two-tier wage system last fall, cutting starting wages for new U.S. workers by half to about $14.20 an hour. But it hasn't worked -- the jobs are flowing to Mexico, where starting wages at some plants also have been two-tiered, to as little as $1.50 per hour with a lot less of the related pension and health care costs of U.S. workers.
With labor costs like these, Mexico is staying competitive with China, where an average worker at a foreign-owned factory or joint venture can make $2 to $6 per hour. While Mexican benefit costs run higher, Mexico may have already won the low-wage race
The Race to the Bottom is on, with the ultimate low wage workforce being a surf or slave class.
#166
V6 Member
Join Date: September 20, 2011
Location: McKinney, TX
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well said!
It's sad that people can't exercise a little courtesy to others when they're paid to try and help you. The retail/service industry gets shafted hard by the public today. I still believe everyone should spend some time there to learn how to treat people with respect.
It's sad that people can't exercise a little courtesy to others when they're paid to try and help you. The retail/service industry gets shafted hard by the public today. I still believe everyone should spend some time there to learn how to treat people with respect.
#167
The Getrag is not going away for sure. Its here to stay like it or not. Its cheap or Ford would not use it. I dont like it. I have a HD motorcycle and I fully admit some of the parts are from overseas like the forks ect.. But, the heart of the motorcycle like the engine and trans are made here.
When its all said and done Ford is going to have a black eye on this one. I dont care what the NTHSB says. The damage is done and its done where it matters. Justified or not is the question. I just wished they would have communicated with us better. They just let people hang and the 11, 12 will forever be marked off my list of wanted mustangs.
Lets hope the 13's are better. Dont hold your breath. Remember, imo, the beancounters and suits (attorneys) run the show at Ford Motor Co now imo.
Im frustrated with the Ford/Getrag mess. The mt82, the powershifts are hitting consumer reports. 100 years plus in business and we dont know how to build a manual or automatic trans???? WTF?
#168
Cobra Member
Join Date: December 7, 2010
Location: Panama City, Fl.
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
5 Posts
I have called Ford to schedule another test drive. I understand your point. You are the sanest person on the board and I take your opinion to heart. I still have my doubts and the long term longevity is a concern.
Im going to go drive another one. I will report back and be as honest as I can be. I give you all my word on that. Ford has called me back and they have several brand new GT's that I can drive. See you all in a few hours.
Im going to go drive another one. I will report back and be as honest as I can be. I give you all my word on that. Ford has called me back and they have several brand new GT's that I can drive. See you all in a few hours.
#169
If you buy a new Mustang it's covered by by a 5/60 drivetrain warrantee. Either take the plunge and buy one or gtfo. Ford isn't going to change transmissions just because you and jmatero are crying.
#170
A Man Just Needs Some....
I can't believe that you guys are still responding to Chevys. Go buy a damm Honda already. Or challenger. Or camaro. Who gives a rats ****? You guys are being trolled.
#171
#172
Cobra Member
I am not sure why a problem with a few units, such as the MT-82's reported to NHTSA would effect the resale value of our cars or new Mustang sales.
I just read that Toyota/Lexus is recalling 420,326 cars for power steering problems, and BMW is recalling 32,000 V8 and V12 models for possible fire problems.
I have not seen an adverse problem with sales or resale of these cars, which are much more serious then the transmission problems with the MT-82.
I purchased the ESP Premium Care Bumper to Bumper, for 7 years/100,000 miles and feel confident the transmission will outlast the warranty, if it does not, Ford can replace it. So what is the problem?
I just read that Toyota/Lexus is recalling 420,326 cars for power steering problems, and BMW is recalling 32,000 V8 and V12 models for possible fire problems.
I have not seen an adverse problem with sales or resale of these cars, which are much more serious then the transmission problems with the MT-82.
I purchased the ESP Premium Care Bumper to Bumper, for 7 years/100,000 miles and feel confident the transmission will outlast the warranty, if it does not, Ford can replace it. So what is the problem?
#174
But, how will the Chinese parts hold up long term? Nobody knows just yet.
Stop assuming Im some troll. I just care and want to know more. If you really really think this is a better trans than the 6060 then you are crazy. In working order it is slicker I give you that but it wont hold up down the road either.
I have resisted in posting but the challenger is looking better everyday. No camaros for me thank you. Its a measly 370 hp and uses the Tremec. I still think Ford cheaped out here at the expense of the customer. Just get them out of warranty and the hell with them is what they are thinking. Im not drinking the kookaid and I dont believe Ford. The suits are in charge now you know. The enthusiast has taken a back seat in a pinto.
#175
Wrong answer. I did drive a brand new one with 17 miles on it. The sales guy let it warm up a bit before I got into it. It shifted as slick as a whistle for the most part. I was impressed and it was night and day difference between it and the first one I drove. Maybe this on had the upgrades? It was better than my 3650 no doubt.
But, how will the Chinese parts hold up long term? Nobody knows just yet.
Stop assuming Im some troll. I just care and want to know more. If you really really think this is a better trans than the 6060 then you are crazy. In working order it is slicker I give you that but it wont hold up down the road either.
I have resisted in posting but the challenger is looking better everyday. No camaros for me thank you. Its a measly 370 hp and uses the Tremec. I still think Ford cheaped out here at the expense of the customer. Just get them out of warranty and the hell with them is what they are thinking. Im not drinking the kookaid and I dont believe Ford. The suits are in charge now you know. The enthusiast has taken a back seat in a pinto.
But, how will the Chinese parts hold up long term? Nobody knows just yet.
Stop assuming Im some troll. I just care and want to know more. If you really really think this is a better trans than the 6060 then you are crazy. In working order it is slicker I give you that but it wont hold up down the road either.
I have resisted in posting but the challenger is looking better everyday. No camaros for me thank you. Its a measly 370 hp and uses the Tremec. I still think Ford cheaped out here at the expense of the customer. Just get them out of warranty and the hell with them is what they are thinking. Im not drinking the kookaid and I dont believe Ford. The suits are in charge now you know. The enthusiast has taken a back seat in a pinto.
#176
Team Mustang Source
#177
#178
legacy Tms Member
I have resisted in posting but the challenger is looking better everyday. No camaros for me thank you. Its a measly 370 hp and uses the Tremec. I still think Ford cheaped out here at the expense of the customer. Just get them out of warranty and the hell with them is what they are thinking. Im not drinking the kookaid and I dont believe Ford. The suits are in charge now you know. The enthusiast has taken a back seat in a pinto.
As far as quality/cheapness, I would still worry about any mopar more than ford, I think historically theyve always been regarded as not too suprising if things break. Ford building the getrag in china is not suprising to me, and in doing so, would expect quality to be spotty- shame on ford, maybe, but the tremec wasnt exactly a M22 either.
think the getrag is going to have a bad reputation down the road? I do too...if they built a german design tranny in the USA, would I trust it more- not necessarily...cheapness is striking here too
#180
So, let me get this straight; you drove a good one, but still think it's "Chinese junk"? This is all I think of now:
How it will hold up is the question and I stand by my word it is Chinese Junk. Lets see this bad boy out last a tr 6060. Not going to happen. Its engineered on the edge of longevity but time will tell.
Im tired of the debate and am old enough to see a farce going down. Ford has dropped the ball and may have lost a customer for their sorry *** explanation and service. Let the chips fall where they may and maybe Ford wonders why Mustang sales are still behind the Camaro. The China made MT 82 is not helping them that is for sure. What a bunch of idiots. Nice work Ford.
Last edited by 3Mach1; 11/19/11 at 10:24 PM.