C&D: Over 400 HP
12/6/09, 08:37 PM
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Let's just wait and see what kind of internals they drop in that motor. Who knows, we maybe in for a surprise. We know nada right now, no leaked info, no intel, i mean Ford is really doing a great job at keeping this a secret. Wonder how they do it with so many people and company being involved in producing a new powerplant. I'm making X's on my calendar starting tomorrow.
12/6/09, 08:53 PM
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I say 410. The 2010 V6 is rated at 210 and GT at 315. Just going by that, which I know has no hearing on what really is going to turn up, then the GT will have 105 more rated hp than the V6. So, 305 + 105 = 410.
Just a guess...I say 410 or 427.
Just a guess...I say 410 or 427.
12/6/09, 09:24 PM
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It has TIVCT, so it can make great torque down low AND good HP up high. There isn't much need to say that the torque will be way lower than the HP number if there is over 400. I bet on over 400hp and about 400tq.
12/6/09, 11:34 PM
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I'm with you. Ti-VCT will be the equalizer and keep the torque numbers up.
12/7/09, 01:25 AM
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I wouldn't expect more than 370lb/ft.
If the 5.4 in Aus is getting 422hp, with a stroke longer than that of a big-block, no VCT, no damb actuation, smaller (than coyote's) bore, no forged internals (yes, coyote's are forged afaik), inferior heads to the coyote's, why is it, then, hard to believe 430hp is hard to achieve? All that, and it (the 5.4) doesn't rev past 6500rpm!
As pointed out elsewhere this is already pulling 450hp, it's just that you won't get that right away. Anyway, it won't need more than 400 to hand Camaro it's own back side.
Stock, no way. Unless it revs to 8,000 RPM. HP = torque*rpm/5252. Do some math and you'll realize how improbable it is. All the 90HP/liter engines out there, including exotics like Porsche etc either have RPM or boost. 5.0L is a small engine and I don't think it will be beat the LS3 in stock configuration.
Now, when the tunes come out, I bet the first thing they will do is raise the rev limiter 500 RPM. So let's say the 5.0L has a redline of 7k, I bet it will rev to 7.5. That's where you'll get the higher peak number. However long term durability and everything else is out the window. Ford sets it RPM max for a reason.
Now, when the tunes come out, I bet the first thing they will do is raise the rev limiter 500 RPM. So let's say the 5.0L has a redline of 7k, I bet it will rev to 7.5. That's where you'll get the higher peak number. However long term durability and everything else is out the window. Ford sets it RPM max for a reason.
As pointed out elsewhere this is already pulling 450hp, it's just that you won't get that right away. Anyway, it won't need more than 400 to hand Camaro it's own back side.
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12/7/09, 01:43 AM
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I'm also hoping for a HP number that is very old-school Ford just to rub it in to the bow-tie crowd. I know there was a 400, 390 and 351 also but I'm hoping for more like the rest of us.
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12/7/09, 02:39 AM
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The 305 HP in the V6 was a big middle finger to GM if you ask me. Camaro's 304 HP was upstaged by 1 friggin HP from Ford. Ford could have tuned that thing any way they pleased, but they chose to stick it at 305...and for a reason I would bet. How awesome would it be to have the 5.0 come out with 427...1 friggin HP more than the Camaro, AGAIN. That would be 2 big middle fingers to GM if my count is correct. 
12/7/09, 03:31 AM
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The 305 HP in the V6 was a big middle finger to GM if you ask me. Camaro's 304 HP was upstaged by 1 friggin HP from Ford. Ford could have tuned that thing any way they pleased, but they chose to stick it at 305...and for a reason I would bet. How awesome would it be to have the 5.0 come out with 427...1 friggin HP more than the Camaro, AGAIN. That would be 2 big middle fingers to GM if my count is correct.
12/7/09, 04:40 AM
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Ford engines have always had a nice torque and horsepower curve. I like how Ford gets the HP and torque down low where you can feel it. Others will advertise this HP number or that HP number but take a look at the dyno sheet. You have to rev theirs to the sky, just to see their numbers. Anybody else noticed this? You can really feel this that low end grunt and pull when driving a Ford.
12/7/09, 07:16 AM
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! Then we'd SURELY have to get another Bullitt!
12/7/09, 07:59 AM
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Stock, no way. Unless it revs to 8,000 RPM. HP = torque*rpm/5252. Do some math and you'll realize how improbable it is. All the 90HP/liter engines out there, including exotics like Porsche etc either have RPM or boost. 5.0L is a small engine and I don't think it will be beat the LS3 in stock configuration.
Now, when the tunes come out, I bet the first thing they will do is raise the rev limiter 500 RPM. So let's say the 5.0L has a redline of 7k, I bet it will rev to 7.5. That's where you'll get the higher peak number. However long term durability and everything else is out the window. Ford sets it RPM max for a reason.
Now, when the tunes come out, I bet the first thing they will do is raise the rev limiter 500 RPM. So let's say the 5.0L has a redline of 7k, I bet it will rev to 7.5. That's where you'll get the higher peak number. However long term durability and everything else is out the window. Ford sets it RPM max for a reason.
Torque = HP * 5252/RPM
Torque = 430 * 5252/7000
Torque = 322 ft /lbs
That doesn't seem like much of a reach to me.
12/7/09, 08:36 AM
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The 3.7 in the Mustang makes 82.4hp per liter. So all things being equal, the 5.0 would make 415hp if you used the same figure. I see no problem with 425-430hp out of the 5.0 and I would bet that is where it will ring in. And I see torque being 400ft/lb + or - 5ft/lb.
Many modern tech. 4-valve engines are making 87hp or so per liter. If the 5.0 were to make just 85hp per liter it would come in at 425hp. Not much of a stretch. If it came in at 87hp per liter it would make 435hp. Again, not much of a stretch.
Many modern tech. 4-valve engines are making 87hp or so per liter. If the 5.0 were to make just 85hp per liter it would come in at 425hp. Not much of a stretch. If it came in at 87hp per liter it would make 435hp. Again, not much of a stretch.
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12/7/09, 01:25 PM
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I love how the estimates keep getting higher and higher. A few months ago the general opinion was 365 - 400hp, and now people are saying 420 - 430hp is reasonable. By the time the **** thing comes out, we will have worked ourselves up to thinking it will be 475hp! I have to admit, I have much higher hopes since the V6 news, but I just hope we're not setting ourselves up for disapointment.
12/7/09, 02:21 PM
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What models/engines does Ford specify premium fuel to be used? There may be one or two, but I am not aware of any. At least not currently. GT500?? Does that require premium?
12/7/09, 02:31 PM
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Let's just wait and see what kind of internals they drop in that motor. Who knows, we maybe in for a surprise. We know nada right now, no leaked info, no intel, i mean Ford is really doing a great job at keeping this a secret. Wonder how they do it with so many people and company being involved in producing a new powerplant. I'm making X's on my calendar starting tomorrow.
As far as 400+ hp, I admit I'm in the cautiously hopeful crowd, Ford let us down in in 1993 (no pushrod counter for the LT1, made all the more exasperating by the very limited availability of the 95 R models 351) and 1996 (tepid doesn't even begin to describe the let down of the 1st 2v mod motors) as well as 1998 (no counter for the LS1 and only a marginal repsonse with the PI motor in 1999).
2005 wasn't a bad year, although I wish they would have had AL/AL 3v 5.4s for the standard mill, the motor would have been only slightly heavier than the LSx motors and would have offered similar performance to the LS1 in the 1998 to 2002 F-bodies.
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