Brembos vs non
6/28/11, 10:25 AM
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I guess the Brembo package makes sense, if you're a diehard 'all stock' person. The decision not to was a no-brainer for me cause AFAIC, all stock wheels are too skinny and all stock ride heights are way too tall and mushy. I drove both and there was a noticeable difference, but I couldn't justify the added cost for items that I'd replace almost immediately. If you plan on getting wider rubber and getting the ride height out of the stratosphere, adding a set of Brembos is just a formality, as new take-offs can be found for cheap, if you keep your eyes open.
6/28/11, 10:26 AM
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I want a grabber blue, black interior, 6 speed, 373, brembo car. I've only found 1 other blue one and it was about 6 or so hours away and it didn't have 373s. That is me googling the zip codes for major cities near where I live and punching them in on Fords website. Can you still order them?
6/28/11, 10:37 AM
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You bought a V6 car... but did you drive both versions of the GT?
I drove a base car initially and loved it, drove a BBP car and just about creamed my jeans. The suspension revisions and upgraded rubber make a noticable difference in the feel of the car.
The technical benefits may be "minimizable" as you state above but to those of us who prefer a more sporty driving car, the BBP makes a worthwhile difference.
Let's be honest here: this package costs less than the glass roof. It's not like you're throwing your money away on a huge option package. $1700 well spent, IMO.
I drove a base car initially and loved it, drove a BBP car and just about creamed my jeans. The suspension revisions and upgraded rubber make a noticable difference in the feel of the car.
The technical benefits may be "minimizable" as you state above but to those of us who prefer a more sporty driving car, the BBP makes a worthwhile difference.
Let's be honest here: this package costs less than the glass roof. It's not like you're throwing your money away on a huge option package. $1700 well spent, IMO.
Between the Performance package and Brembo package models, they were both VERY good handling for a regular driver. My take was the Performance Package car was the tiniest bit better handling which would make sense due to the higher front weight if the two got the same level of attention re shocks and springs. The Brembo brakes felt better than the upgraded PP brakes but didn't stop better (on the street).
Both the Brembo and Performance package are great street cars. Nothing (new cars) comes close for the price. But, as I said, I would prefer the Brembo package without the Brembos for the street (assuming an appropriate reduction in price). I'm not saying the brembo package is too expensive for the hardware (and software) you get. Just that some of what you get is either not the best value for the street or the best value for the track.
p.s. Before anyone gets confused about why someone claiming to care about performance would buy a V6 I will say that I consider forward acceleration in any car short of Veyron class a major major yawn. That's just me. My background is mostly open class sport bikes. So even mid 2 second 0-60s are nothing special. I enjoy the 1+ G braking and turning (yes these will do over 1G in a turn if not on a skid pad) and try to stay awake for the pathetic Gs on the gas even from the 5.0. The PP is the equal to the Brembo on the street in handling and braking. So since it was obvious Ford was gouging the 5.0 buyers (or subsidizing the 3.7 buyers) and the PP was virtually equal to the Brembos in handling and street braking, I went with the V6 PP. Ford prices the GT about the same over the base as the cost of a 5.0 crate motor. So anyway you look at it, V6 buyers are getting their motor for free.
6/28/11, 10:57 AM
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I drove regular GTs, Brembo Gts, regular V6s and Performance Package V6s. The handling of the regular versions of both was completely unsatisfactory for my wants. I would not buy either at half the price IF I had to drive them that way. That's just my preference; I totally understand people preferring a softer ride, particularly if their roads are bad or its their only car.
Between the Performance package and Brembo package models, they were both VERY good handling for a regular driver. My take was the Performance Package car was the tiniest bit better handling which would make sense due to the higher front weight if the two got the same level of attention re shocks and springs. The Brembo brakes felt better than the upgraded PP brakes but didn't stop better (on the street).
Both the Brembo and Performance package are great street cars. Nothing (new cars) comes close for the price. But, as I said, I would prefer the Brembo package without the Brembos for the street (assuming an appropriate reduction in price). I'm not saying the brembo package is too expensive for the hardware (and software) you get. Just that some of what you get is either not the best value for the street or the best value for the track.
p.s. Before anyone gets confused about why someone claiming to care about performance would buy a V6 I will say that I consider forward acceleration in any car short of Veyron class a major major yawn. That's just me. My background is mostly open class sport bikes. So even mid 2 second 0-60s are nothing special. I enjoy the 1+ G braking and turning (yes these will do over 1G in a turn if not on a skid pad) and try to stay awake for the pathetic Gs on the gas even from the 5.0. The PP is the equal to the Brembo on the street in handling and braking. So since it was obvious Ford was gouging the 5.0 buyers (or subsidizing the 3.7 buyers) and the PP was virtually equal to the Brembos in handling and street braking, I went with the V6 PP. Ford prices the GT about the same over the base as the cost of a 5.0 crate motor. So anyway you look at it, V6 buyers are getting their motor for free.
Between the Performance package and Brembo package models, they were both VERY good handling for a regular driver. My take was the Performance Package car was the tiniest bit better handling which would make sense due to the higher front weight if the two got the same level of attention re shocks and springs. The Brembo brakes felt better than the upgraded PP brakes but didn't stop better (on the street).
Both the Brembo and Performance package are great street cars. Nothing (new cars) comes close for the price. But, as I said, I would prefer the Brembo package without the Brembos for the street (assuming an appropriate reduction in price). I'm not saying the brembo package is too expensive for the hardware (and software) you get. Just that some of what you get is either not the best value for the street or the best value for the track.
p.s. Before anyone gets confused about why someone claiming to care about performance would buy a V6 I will say that I consider forward acceleration in any car short of Veyron class a major major yawn. That's just me. My background is mostly open class sport bikes. So even mid 2 second 0-60s are nothing special. I enjoy the 1+ G braking and turning (yes these will do over 1G in a turn if not on a skid pad) and try to stay awake for the pathetic Gs on the gas even from the 5.0. The PP is the equal to the Brembo on the street in handling and braking. So since it was obvious Ford was gouging the 5.0 buyers (or subsidizing the 3.7 buyers) and the PP was virtually equal to the Brembos in handling and street braking, I went with the V6 PP. Ford prices the GT about the same over the base as the cost of a 5.0 crate motor. So anyway you look at it, V6 buyers are getting their motor for free.
my issue with this critique is the increased handling that you're feeling is based largely on the tires/wheel combination, which imo is still subpar for what the mustang really needs for it. (yes a small amount based on the suspension tweaks). If you were to spend the same money on the brembo package but instead put it in aftermarket wheels/tires you'd be feeling even BETTER about the handling and performance of the car.
6/28/11, 11:18 AM
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Bottomline, drive both versions of the car and buy the one you like best and don't settle. Have the dealer find it for you, they can ship it from other states, or order it if you cant find what you want and dont mind the wait. I ordered mine so i could get exactly what I wanted. I plan on upgrading most of the suspension and getting a set of dedicated track wheels/tires eventually but as I have just graduated from college this gives me a great setup to mess around in/autoX/short track days while i make some money to upgrade my car.
6/28/11, 12:07 PM
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There are different levels of vehicle stability management that Ford calls AdvanceTrac. On, traction control off (click the button once and traction control [TCS] turns off with electronic stability [ESC] still on), sport (on gt premium models hit the button twice and both TCS and ESC are on but much less intrusive), and off (both are off). With the BBP i have been told that in TCS off and sport modes the ESC is and TCS are less intrusive and allow for more wheel spin and yaw rate than they would normally without the BBP. Its basically so when you go to the track and don't have advancetrac in the off mode the brakes aren't being applied mid-corner and the engine power output isn't reduced.
6/28/11, 12:08 PM
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Most of the guys here who minimize and talk down the Brembo package are guys that don't have it....Go figure.
You'll never go wrong paying a little extra for premium hardware. There is no doubt the brembo package is a bargain in that respect.. One you'll appreciate every time you drive the car.
You'll never go wrong paying a little extra for premium hardware. There is no doubt the brembo package is a bargain in that respect.. One you'll appreciate every time you drive the car.
6/28/11, 12:38 PM
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All of the road tests seem to use BBP cars since they're the highest performance variant of the GT. It would be interesting to see how these compare to the standard suspension cars on a road course...especially with comparable tires.
6/28/11, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnbikefuel80
Sport mode comes on premium trim models
6/28/11, 02:48 PM
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6/28/11, 02:49 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by 2012GT
I have no premium trim. The only option I have is automatic tranny and spoiler delete. I have sport mode bro, drive in it almost every day.
6/28/11, 04:25 PM
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my issue with this critique is the increased handling that you're feeling is based largely on the tires/wheel combination, which imo is still subpar for what the mustang really needs for it. (yes a small amount based on the suspension tweaks). If you were to spend the same money on the brembo package but instead put it in aftermarket wheels/tires you'd be feeling even BETTER about the handling and performance of the car.
For sure the tires shared by the Performance Package and the Brembo package are a big part of the handling improvement BUT those tires would be substantially less satisfying on the much softer regular GT and V6 springs. Bottom line: the Brembo and Performance package are a fantastic value for STREET handling but in that venue the Brembo brakes are just along for the ride.
6/28/11, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy
The Brembo package is more of a marketing or appearance thing than a practical performance value.
People like the name. Most people like the wheels. You can use the better handling from time to time even on the street.
But the brakes themselves don't help on the street and are even a negative due to the increased unsprung weight. You will NEVER use the brakes hard repeatedly on the street so the fade resistance is pointless. Braking distance with ABS is virtually the same as the stock brakes for single stops; test differences are within the margin of error. Likewise better "feel" doesn't improve safety on the street.
The only place the brakes themselves make a lot of sense is on the track and the people who do that in a serious way will replace the suspension and wheels in the package.
If I was going to seriously track the car, I would rather be able to order JUST the Brembo brakes so i wouldn't have to pay more for the Brembo package suspension parts and wheels I would be replacing anyway. And if the car was for just street use, I would rather have everything in the Brembo Package EXCEPT the brakes, since they have no value there IMO.
To me the package only really makes sense for a street car that might do a few track days but isn't really interested in their lap times but even they need to add ducts to get the full benefits of the brakes. It probably also makes sense for a casual autoxer. For those people its a steal. But that is a pretty small percentage of all owners and even within Brembo package owners. Most people buy the package for the name or looks.
People like the name. Most people like the wheels. You can use the better handling from time to time even on the street.
But the brakes themselves don't help on the street and are even a negative due to the increased unsprung weight. You will NEVER use the brakes hard repeatedly on the street so the fade resistance is pointless. Braking distance with ABS is virtually the same as the stock brakes for single stops; test differences are within the margin of error. Likewise better "feel" doesn't improve safety on the street.
The only place the brakes themselves make a lot of sense is on the track and the people who do that in a serious way will replace the suspension and wheels in the package.
If I was going to seriously track the car, I would rather be able to order JUST the Brembo brakes so i wouldn't have to pay more for the Brembo package suspension parts and wheels I would be replacing anyway. And if the car was for just street use, I would rather have everything in the Brembo Package EXCEPT the brakes, since they have no value there IMO.
To me the package only really makes sense for a street car that might do a few track days but isn't really interested in their lap times but even they need to add ducts to get the full benefits of the brakes. It probably also makes sense for a casual autoxer. For those people its a steal. But that is a pretty small percentage of all owners and even within Brembo package owners. Most people buy the package for the name or looks.
6/28/11, 08:47 PM
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It was my understanding that all BBP equipped cars (Base or Premium) have the ESC Sport mode. I have a base GT (300A) with BBP and 3.73's and mine works.
6/28/11, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Fire
It was my understanding that all BBP equipped cars (Base or Premium) have the ESC Sport mode. I have a base GT (300A) with BBP and 3.73's and mine works.
6/28/11, 10:51 PM
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The more I drive my Brembo GT, the more I realize that while the ride is jittery at pedestrian speeds, at elevated speeds and hard cornering the suspension composure is remarkably good. It's as if the suspension tuning is really set up for the weight transfer that goes with driving at the limits of adhesion.