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5.0 is Back: 2011 GT Leads Class With 412 HP, Fuel Efficiency, Chassis Dynamics

Old Dec 28, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
In the video..notice the brembo's?

Also, they don't mention HOW large the brembo's are
No, but they do in their press release:
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For enthusiasts, a Brembo brake package, with larger rotors and calipers from the Ford Shelby GT500® Mustang, unique 19-inch wheels and summer performance tires, is offered; new fender badges herald return of the 5.0-liter engine
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PTRocks
Here's a couple of shots of the bar.


Thanks for the pics!
Is it just me or does the new engine seem to sit lower in the engine bay than the 4.6 did?
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 11:56 AM
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I'm in the same boat. I really shouldn't buy another new car next year, but the 2011 sounds too good to resist!

But I think if you go to KBB.com and run up the trade in value of your 08, you would get a lot bigger figure then $12k. My 08 GT has low miles and it came out to be $19.9k.....

I'm just concerned about how much a 2011 GT will cost?

Originally Posted by krnpimpsta
I battled with this decision already.. and I really can't NOT purchase a 2011 GT. Even if I only get $12k for my 2008 GT, I realized it's just not an option for me to not buy a 2011 and continue to enjoy my life.

I actually planned out my finances for the next 4 years already, factoring in $12k resale on the '08, assuming worst case scenario of 2010's and 2011's + bad economy resulting in my car being essentially worthless.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
I'm going to bet that the Brembo Package does take the place of the Track Pack though.
I think that might be the case, too. From reading some of the press releases, it looks like at least some of the suspension upgrades that came with the Track Pack for the '10 are going to be standard for '11. The other components of that package were 19" wheels and tires, some performance brake pads, and the 3.73 package. The Brembo package will cover the brakes, wheels, and tires. I bet the price for the package will be similar to the 2010 Track Pack; they'll offset the cost of the Brembos by keeping the 3.73s as a standalone option (or for any fuel misers out there).
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkCandy08GT
Why would you only get 12K for your 2008 GT?
Well, it's a super-conservative estimate so I don't get a bad surprise - realistically I'm hoping for $15k-17k.

Here's my reasoning though:
Right now, you can find 2006 GT's for $15k-20k, depending on mileage. I plan to get a 2011 GT in Dec 2010 - early 2011. I figure our cars should be valued around today's 2006-2007 prices.. so $15k-22k.

BUT, if you factor in the fact that there will then be a significant number of used 2010's for sale (compared to now) - and also the fact that a brand new +100hp engine is out for the 2011, I would not be surprised to see a few grand lower.

So realistically, I imagine I'd see anywhere between $12k and maybe $19k for my 2008 GT in early 2011. Just telling myself $12k to make sure I'm financially prepared - not to scare other 08 owners.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AGBULLIT
Thanks for the pics!
Is it just me or does the new engine seem to sit lower in the engine bay than the 4.6 did?
It's possible, but not likely, as the bore spacing and deck height are the same as the 4.6.

I think the reduction in height comes from moving the alternator from the 'V', allowing the intake to be more compact.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Falchion
I'm in the same boat. I really shouldn't buy another new car next year, but the 2011 sounds too good to resist!

But I think if you go to KBB.com and run up the trade in value of your 08, you would get a lot bigger figure then $12k. My 08 GT has low miles and it came out to be $19.9k.....

I'm just concerned about how much a 2011 GT will cost?
Yeah, I'm convincing myself it's OK to buy another one, because I plan to drive this next one for 10-15 years (unless Ford comes out with something ridiculous in 2014 - like a 550hp GT, forcing me to buy it - and if they do, screw you Ford, really, I'm not made of money, stop it! )

Also, my $12k figure is based on me selling the car in early 2011 (1-1.5 years from now), with an extra year of depreciation + competition from both used 2010's and new 2011's. I figure I'd have to buy mid-way into the model year when the ADM's (if any) go away and rebates kick in - and maybe some fixes to any glaring technical issues found in the first few months.

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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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Wow that's such a beautiful engine! I love Mulally.

2010 Ford proved what the mustang was capable with a tuned suspension sans IRS. Only thing the 2010 lacks was power and now the mustang is truly best in class!
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight
Wow that's such a beautiful engine! I love Mulally.

2010 Ford proved what the mustang was capable with a tuned suspension sans IRS. Only thing the 2010 lacks was power and now the mustang is truly best in class!
Exactly, and Ford has tuned the 2011's suspension, thus further refining the package as a whole, even over the 2010 Mustang which, IMO, is night-and-day superior to my 2007 GT.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by krnpimpsta
Also, my $12k figure is based on me selling the car in early 2011 (1-1.5 years from now), with an extra year of depreciation + competition from both used 2010's and new 2011's. I figure I'd have to buy mid-way into the model year when the ADM's (if any) go away and rebates kick in - and maybe some fixes to any glaring technical issues found in the first few months.
You're probably in the ballpark with what you're thinking. I'm considering doing about the same thing. Trade in (or sell private party) my 2008 GT for a 2011 or 2012 GT in 2011 sometime. Mine will have around 10k miles on it by then, and I'd like to get more like $15k for it, but the reality is I may have to settle for as little as $12-13k. With my paid for trade-in and X-Plan pricing, a little cash saved up, and hopefully some rebates, I'd like to get into a new GT in a year or two for $15-20k on a 36 month low-interest loan
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PTRocks
I know I'm probably late bringing this up, but did anyone else notice how the GT logo is almost a direct rip-off of the Grand Trunk Western railway logo?

This was brought up years ago, and I believe the Grand Trunk logo-style is public domain / creative commons so it's up for grabs.

FYI, there's a Grand Trunk line that runs over I-696 in SE MI and I feel the urge to peg the throttle in my 07 GT whenever I see the GT logo on the bridge.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ministang
You're probably in the ballpark with what you're thinking. I'm considering doing about the same thing. Trade in (or sell private party) my 2008 GT for a 2011 or 2012 GT in 2011 sometime. Mine will have around 10k miles on it by then, and I'd like to get more like $15k for it, but the reality is I may have to settle for as little as $12-13k. With my paid for trade-in and X-Plan pricing, a little cash saved up, and hopefully some rebates, I'd like to get into a new GT in a year or two for $15-20k on a 36 month low-interest loan
I'd also wait at least 3 model years for all the kinks to be worked out. New engines and new transmissions have never been problem-free right away especially when it comes to Fords. Look how long it took them to still not fix the gas tank issue and throttle dead-space, or the quirky TR-3650s. It also took them 3-4 model years to permanently fix the spark plug issues by releasing a new cylinder head.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'd also wait at least 3 model years for all the kinks to be worked out. New engines and new transmissions have never been problem-free right away especially when it comes to Fords. Look how long it took them to still not fix the gas tank issue and throttle dead-space, or the quirky TR-3650s. It also took them 3-4 model years to permanently fix the spark plug issues by releasing a new cylinder head.
I have a 2007 GT and don't have any of the problems you listed.

But, yeah, if the Camaro is any indication, you may want to skip the first-year run of the 2011 Mustang.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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Where is that one guy that was talking about "vaporware" LOL??
he went back to smoking whatever he was smoking before he made that comment
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'd also wait at least 3 model years for all the kinks to be worked out. New engines and new transmissions have never been problem-free right away especially when it comes to Fords. Look how long it took them to still not fix the gas tank issue and throttle dead-space, or the quirky TR-3650s. It also took them 3-4 model years to permanently fix the spark plug issues by releasing a new cylinder head.
I agree, to a point, but in four more years (model years at least), we'll be looking at the next generation Mustang which will be completely redesigned. I'll likely wait at least a year maybe two, and then count on the warrantys to take care of issues down the road. There certainly is a lot more complexity built in to this engine than the current 3V 4.6L V8. although the transmission has been in use in other vehicles before now.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Here's the Ford Reacing media release.
http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=37254
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'd also wait at least 3 model years for all the kinks to be worked out...
I could see not buying the first model year of a new generation but waiting three years seems a tad excessive.
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cdvision
Here's the Ford Reacing media release.
http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=37254
There is no info on gears. Are there any rumors?
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 1 BULLITT
There is no info on gears. Are there any rumors?
Gearing is listed in the spec sheet:

Manual:
Axle - 3.31:1
Trans - 1st-6th 3.66, 2.43, 1.69, 1.32, 1.00, 0.65:1

Auto:
Axle - 3.15:1
Trans - 1st-6th 4.17, 2.34, 1.52, 1.14, 0.87, 0.69:1
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PTRocks
Gearing is listed in the spec sheet:

Manual:
Axle - 3.31:1
Trans - 1st-6th 3.66, 2.43, 1.69, 1.32, 1.00, 0.65:1

Auto:
Axle - 3.15:1
Trans - 1st-6th 4.17, 2.34, 1.52, 1.14, 0.87, 0.69:1
But no info on the optional final drive ratios, which I assume is what 1 Bullitt was referring to. Will 3.55's and 3.73's still be optional? What comes with the Track Pack, etc.
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