2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

5.0 is Back: 2011 GT Leads Class With 412 HP, Fuel Efficiency, Chassis Dynamics

Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:02 PM
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My rationale makes all the sense in the world to the only person that really matters ... ME ... and yes I would pay the $1-K instead that way I can force FORD to live with it not being there as opposed to me having to live with something I dont want, unnecessarily drove the cost of the car up, and probably doesn't do half of what it's intended to do anyway, other than being a 100% PITA.
More money than brains? Go ahead and pay the GG, we'll take care of it for less, pocket the other cash, or use it making the car even better.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
So you'd rather pay $1,000 just on the principle, rather than pay $30 with a minor inconvenience?

Sure would ... like I said ... I dont believe in "skip-shifts", cylinder deactivation, "information systems", radio controls on the steering wheel and any of that other crap neither, so why wouldn't I take the lesser of 2 evils as I see it?

Why should I pay $30-K for a Mustang or any other car with another added incovenience?

I'd gladly pay an extra $1-K just for them to keep all that BS off the car in the first place. Speaking of principle; they should cut $1-K off the price after deletng all that mess to make up for the difference of the GG tax.

The only positive thing I see out of this development is it does have more "factory" power which comes from a bigger bore instead of just arriving at the 5.0 size by merely adding a longer stroke. I am glad however to see they finally, after all these years, went to an electronic PS pump.

All in all ... I'd be happier if they just brought the Terminator back out again and we could choose between that and the GT-500.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
Sure would ... like I said ... I dont believe in "skip-shifts", cylinder deactivation, "information systems", radio controls on the steering wheel and any of that other crap neither, so why wouldn't I take the lesser of 2 evils as I see it?

Why should I pay $30-K for a Mustang or any other car with another added incovenience?

I'd gladly pay an extra $1-K just for them to keep all that BS off the car in the first place. Speaking of principle; they should cut $1-K off the price after deletng all that mess to make up for the difference of the GG tax.

The only positive thing I see out of this development is it does have more "factory" power which comes from a bigger bore instead of just arriving at the 5.0 size by merely adding a longer stroke. I am glad however to see they finally, after all these years, went to an electronic PS pump.

All in all ... I'd be happier if they just brought the Terminator back out again and we could choose between that and the GT-500.
In that case you're going to have to start looking into older model mustangs. As time goes on you'll just see more and more of this kind of tech under the hood to keep them viable...

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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
More money than brains? Go ahead and pay the GG, we'll take care of it for less, pocket the other cash, or use it making the car even better.

How you spend your money is up to you.

As far as having more money than brains ... I'm not going to be put in the position where I have to pay GG tax in the first place. I just won't buy the car.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
In that case you're going to have to start looking into older model mustangs. As time goes one you'll just see more and more of this kind of tech under the hood to keep them viable...

I already have ... just being patient and biding my time.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
I already have ... just being patient and biding my time.
used '07-'09 GT500 perhaps?
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
used '07-'09 GT500 perhaps?

No I'll go the kit car route, if anything.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Well, as it's been said, it's only going to get more and more tech added in the future. If you want a 'dumb' car, you're gonna have to go used.

If anything, I like the ability to buy a car with both the comfort and features I want, along with the power and performance for the track. Sure, you can skip one to have the other, but why not get both if readily available? We'll most likely not see any more Cobra R or old style Boss cars any more, unless you buy a purpose-built one from the factory (see the 302R for 2011). People have pushed the OEMs to provide more features and better performance, but you'll never satisfy everyone, but you aim to get the most with the simplest combination.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cocojoe53
Thanks, and we know for a fact its part of the Mustang 6 speed package?
No. I haven't heard anything of a skip shift until the speculation surfaced in this thread.

If the GT500 does not have it with the 5.4L, the 5.0 will likely not have it. (my guess)
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
How you spend your money is up to you.

As far as having more money than brains ... I'm not going to be put in the position where I have to pay GG tax in the first place. I just won't buy the car.
Just buy one used if you don't feel like paying any guzzler tax, original buyer eats that!
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost
Well, as it's been said, it's only going to get more and more tech added in the future. If you want a 'dumb' car, you're gonna have to go used.

If anything, I like the ability to buy a car with both the comfort and features I want, along with the power and performance for the track. Sure, you can skip one to have the other, but why not get both if readily available? We'll most likely not see any more Cobra R or old style Boss cars any more, unless you buy a purpose-built one from the factory (see the 302R for 2011). People have pushed the OEMs to provide more features and better performance, but you'll never satisfy everyone, but you aim to get the most with the simplest combination.
The reality is that enthusiasts compose so little of the actual market range that it is not highly profitable to tailor the car to their needs. BUT--that is why there is FRPP.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cocojoe53
Thanks, and we know for a fact its part of the Mustang 6 speed package?
Boomer mentioned it and I assume it is part of the package. No worries though because its easily defeated. Camaros have had this feature for years in order to gain mileage on the epa loop.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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It won't be a issue for me, as I never leave the drive way without using at least 35% throttle. Allthough I am older, my Dad once told me you either bend in the wind or break...steering wheel controls, push button start, massive electronic's are all part of the future. I have a friend who won't go near a car with EFI. (He still has cassettes !) Believe me, 400++ HP in a choice of cars at a decent price makes this a true golden age. Let us all enjoy!
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cocojoe53
It won't be a issue for me, as I never leave the drive way without using at least 35% throttle. Allthough I am older, my Dad once told me you either bend in the wind or break...steering wheel controls, push button start, massive electronic's are all part of the future. I have a friend who won't go near a car with EFI. (He still has cassettes !) Believe me, 400++ HP in a choice of cars at a decent price makes this a true golden age. Let us all enjoy!
LOL, So you have a a heavy foot eh? Im older myself and have never heard the bend in the wind deal. Thats a new on on me that I will remember for sure. Best of luck to you and be careful if you push the go pedal.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cocojoe53
It won't be a issue for me, as I never leave the drive way without using at least 35% throttle. Allthough I am older, my Dad once told me you either bend in the wind or break...steering wheel controls, push button start, massive electronic's are all part of the future. I have a friend who won't go near a car with EFI. (He still has cassettes !) Believe me, 400++ HP in a choice of cars at a decent price makes this a true golden age. Let us all enjoy!
I grew up in the 60s with carbed cars. My first was a 289 Mustang coupe. I thought I was hot stuff back in the day. That car was terrible by todays standards. I still have a love for the classic mustangs and mean no disrespect but these are the good old days right now. Some things I dont like about technology but mostly it has improved things in a big way.

I still like those old carbed cars but man its hard to beat how reliable cars are today with electronics. I was always working on that old Mustang with its drum brakes all around. My Mustang is a 03 now and has 4 wheel disc brakes and they are just flat awesome imo. When I was 16 I could care less about those sorts of things. Its amazing how we change over the years.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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I started out with '60's carburated cars and loved them for their simplicity. It took a long time to "buy into" technology. Bought my first new car without ABS in '95 "because I know how to brake and don't need a computer to tell me how to."

Now, I see a carb may be simple but there is no way we could get a 300 - 400 hp car as reliable or driveable without FI and an ECU.

The amount of hp every mfgr is squeezing out per cubic inch is amazing. 1 hp per CI was huge in the old days. Now it's no big deal.

While I may not understand all of the engine controls, I'll admit they sure work and people far smarter than me put them there for a reason.

Instead of wrenching, I can get in and drive.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 06GT
The reality is that enthusiasts compose so little of the actual market range that it is not highly profitable to tailor the car to their needs. BUT--that is why there is FRPP.
Basically. The ones who want more will mod it, the others drive them stock.

Again, I've said, since it's really a mystery, wait until the official specs come out. No need to worry so much on a minor detail so early in the game.
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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Well, my first Mustang was a brand new 1969 Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet with no power steering!!. It took all my 140 lbs to turn away from th curb when I picked the car up. I loved that car. Sold it 3 years later with 30k miles like new for $1300........
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Old Dec 31, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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And this is why no matter what I am keeping my 2001 Tru Blue Bullitt (Also, ironically with 30k miles) until the day they cart me away. If I have to store it I will, as the 2011 is now on my radar
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Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
Thanks for the information but to be honest I'd rather pay the un-Constitutional GG Tax than entertain that nonsense when I'm spending $30-K + on a new car. Just not worth it, IMO.

As far as "buying another vehicle" goes, I haven't bought one of the others neither.
Buahahahaha, can someone tell me what Article of the constitution deals with auto sales and gasoline taxes??
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