The 2011 6 speed manuals ??
#121
I believe one of two things are happening here.
1 - He has made this personal and thus is dragging his feet on the lemon law process as countless others have spoken out in shock that it has not been taken care of yet despite his rants about how long the lemon law process takes. It does not seem to take that long for anyone else.
2 - There is more to the story as to why he cannot lemon law the vehicle. If he is truly even in the lemon law process, then communications between he and Ford should not even be happening.
1 - He has made this personal and thus is dragging his feet on the lemon law process as countless others have spoken out in shock that it has not been taken care of yet despite his rants about how long the lemon law process takes. It does not seem to take that long for anyone else.
2 - There is more to the story as to why he cannot lemon law the vehicle. If he is truly even in the lemon law process, then communications between he and Ford should not even be happening.
2. There is no "more" to the story. In fact, two Ford dealers examined my car... FSEs drove the car... Service managers and technicians drove the car... they all agreed there was no sign of abuse and are baffled as to what is going on other than to say they've seen it before and they're waiting on Ford for next steps.
#122
1. There is no foot dragging. The average lemon law case in California takes 6-9 months to complete. Mine has been in process since April.
2. There is no "more" to the story. In fact, two Ford dealers examined my car... FSEs drove the car... Service managers and technicians drove the car... they all agreed there was no sign of abuse and are baffled as to what is going on other than to say they've seen it before and they're waiting on Ford for next steps.
2. There is no "more" to the story. In fact, two Ford dealers examined my car... FSEs drove the car... Service managers and technicians drove the car... they all agreed there was no sign of abuse and are baffled as to what is going on other than to say they've seen it before and they're waiting on Ford for next steps.
Either way, if it truly is even in the lemon process what do you have to gain by continuing to slam Ford on every forum and car website you can post on? What is YOUR end game here that I feel in the dark on?
With the lemon process initiated, your communications to or about Ford really should be irrelevant.
#124
#125
Originally Posted by beerbarrel
Please post all you like just keep it over on www.allfordwhiners.com!
Jmatero does not seem to have a fair perpective anymore. I can't say I would if my car was giving me problems, but either way he lost perspective. I love going on long rants too, but there is a time and place for it.
#126
April 2011? Seems this should have been happening LONG before then. Maybe it is just me, but I feel like this has been going on for years now.
Either way, if it truly is even in the lemon process what do you have to gain by continuing to slam Ford on every forum and car website you can post on? What is YOUR end game here that I feel in the dark on?
With the lemon process initiated, your communications to or about Ford really should be irrelevant.
Either way, if it truly is even in the lemon process what do you have to gain by continuing to slam Ford on every forum and car website you can post on? What is YOUR end game here that I feel in the dark on?
With the lemon process initiated, your communications to or about Ford really should be irrelevant.
#127
I know right? Again, I can see how folks not familiar with the transmission thread at AFM could be in the dark about the extent of this. There are multiple posts there daily from new owners in this mess and getting no help from Ford yet some folks here continue to discount the facts and simply shoot the messenger.
#128
Please post all you like just keep it over on www.allfordwhiners.com!
For those who have either have had problems or not had yet ... Do you worry about them.. And how hard is the fix ... Is it a one time thing ???
Heck, the transmission thread just today has a hoard of "rookies" who had their fluid swapped and a couple hundred miles later, their grinding and lock-outs are back... and they're mad as hell. And that is posted there every day.
If you believe this is a minor issue affecting very few owners you haven't done your research or are in denial. The OP ofnthis thread deserves a truthful answer.
I advise him to not take my word for it... But to go to that thread and read the posts from just the past 48 hours let alone all 6000 posts.
#129
You've made it personal (maybe rightly so) whether you want to admit it or not which severely skews your objectivity.
#130
I still think that the fluids that are being used in these cars are a major cause of the damage. It doesn't make sense that so many can experiment with fluids swaps on their own and solve their problems. I think the factory fill fluids have the wrong additive package causing slow synchro engagement causing....you know the rest. Just my two cents. Again the occasional tranny failures due to factory defects can't be explained and solved by this but as stupid as it sounds so many cars out there have resolved notchy and grinding in cold temps with just finding the fluid that the tranny agrees with.
Again this is just my input when I look at the whole picture from all the forums out there.
EDIT: That QDC crap was designed for a dual clutch design on that **** fiesta. Does not make any sense why they are recommending changing to that fluid even when the supposed typo in the owners manual removed the QDC fluid as the recommended fluid.
Again this is just my input when I look at the whole picture from all the forums out there.
EDIT: That QDC crap was designed for a dual clutch design on that **** fiesta. Does not make any sense why they are recommending changing to that fluid even when the supposed typo in the owners manual removed the QDC fluid as the recommended fluid.
Last edited by flySWA737; 7/27/11 at 01:38 PM.
#131
Owners of MT82-equipped cars at AFM are reporting they received calls from the NHTSA. This is usually the first step in beginning a defect investigation. Historically, Ford responds to these types of vehicle problems after being forced by the NHTSA so the 53 reports are, indeed, setting alarms off. For anyone experiencing shifting issues with their 2011/2012 Mustangs with manual transmissions, please take just a few minutes to file an online complaint with the NHTSA at the following link:
FILE AN ONLINE VEHICLE COMPLAINT
Thanks everyone!
FILE AN ONLINE VEHICLE COMPLAINT
Thanks everyone!
Last edited by jmatero; 7/27/11 at 03:59 PM.
#132
Sorry....back on topic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGMULSGJOU
great video post about the transmission issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGMULSGJOU
great video post about the transmission issue
Let me remind you as to the point of this thread. The OP asked:
When owner's post things like "there is no issue... Owners don't know how to drive" or "it's a small number of owners and besides swapping the fluid fixes it" they are posting false information... Information that is anything but helpful to the OP.
Heck, the transmission thread just today has a hoard of "rookies" who had their fluid swapped and a couple hundred miles later, their grinding and lock-outs are back... and they're mad as hell. And that is posted there every day.
If you believe this is a minor issue affecting very few owners you haven't done your research or are in denial. The OP ofnthis thread deserves a truthful answer.
I advise him to not take my word for it... But to go to that thread and read the posts from just the past 48 hours let alone all 6000 posts.
When owner's post things like "there is no issue... Owners don't know how to drive" or "it's a small number of owners and besides swapping the fluid fixes it" they are posting false information... Information that is anything but helpful to the OP.
Heck, the transmission thread just today has a hoard of "rookies" who had their fluid swapped and a couple hundred miles later, their grinding and lock-outs are back... and they're mad as hell. And that is posted there every day.
If you believe this is a minor issue affecting very few owners you haven't done your research or are in denial. The OP ofnthis thread deserves a truthful answer.
I advise him to not take my word for it... But to go to that thread and read the posts from just the past 48 hours let alone all 6000 posts.
#133
Sorry....back on topic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGMULSGJOU
great video post about the transmission issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGMULSGJOU
great video post about the transmission issue
A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
To REALLY keep this on topic, owners are now receiving calls...and followup emails... from the NHTSA:
XXXXX, thanks for taking the time to talk with me about the shifting issue with your Mustang. As I mentioned during the call, the agency may want to inspect your vehicle in the near future. I will re-contact you if we need to set this up. Could you keep me updated with the status of your vehicle. I need to know if the condition gets worse / changes or if Ford contacts you with a fix for this condition. Keep in touch.
Thanks,
XXXXX XXXXXX
Defect Investigator
Defects Assessment Division
Office of Defects Investigation
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Thanks,
XXXXX XXXXXX
Defect Investigator
Defects Assessment Division
Office of Defects Investigation
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Last edited by jmatero; 7/27/11 at 07:27 PM.
#134
If a fix really comes wouldn't it be something that they'd have to do to all MT-82s and not just those that are currently experiencing issues? Just curious...
#135
It depends on what the issue is. If it's some kind of build or assembly inconsistency, they could recall the vehicles to inspect the part(s)... And replace those showing signs of trouble. The car has been on the market just over a year now. And 2012's just a few months. We're hearing from owner's of both now so if the part(s) are failing with so few miles, and I owned one I felt was ok... I'd want the suspect part(s) installed anyway.
#140
I beg to differ considering the numbers of PMs and emails I get from owners daily. Currently, owners are in the process of setting up appointments with the NHTSA to have their cars inspected by their engineers. Let's see what they uncover.