2010+ Info as far as we know
#22
Good question. I would be willing to bet that both will be called S197's since Ford called pre and post 99 Mustangs SN95's. And thanks for creating this thread Boomer, it's nice to have all the info in one place instead of having to dig for it.
#23
Most likely depends on how extensive the changes are.
If the update is just front & rear facias and some interior updates it would most likely still be a S197.
A major rework would get a new program #.
If the update is just front & rear facias and some interior updates it would most likely still be a S197.
A major rework would get a new program #.
#25
It might indeed have something to do with it. A siamese bore solves a lot of bore spacing issues in a hurry assuming the cooling system changes don't create a problem. The fact that a Boss moniker is attached to it is very interesting indeed.
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How is that ? being as every body panel, except for the greenhouse was updated on the 99..But yet the SN-95 model # remained the same..
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#33
A lot better than a darton sleeved teksid block IMO. That is an interesting development. Head gasket issues would be my only concern, but otherwise, I think it could be a stop gap measure till the new engines. Saves a ton of money on retooling for larger bore centers. This would also allow for bigger valve diameters. I would give up the 50-60 lbs for one @ 400 HP.
#34
The more I think about it the more I think this really could be the rumoured Mod motor based Boss 5.0L coming in a future Mustang. I was genuinely perplexed as to how Ford was going to solve the bore spacing issues with the Mod motor without actually physically lengthening the block to increase the same. A siamese bore block accomplishes everything the rumour mill says will occur and, unless cooling problems are an issue, does so in a producable package.
#35
The greenhouse is the most expensive thing to change. Since we already know that the next Mustang update will have the same greenhouse I'm expecting about the same level of changes as 98-99. So it will probably still be a S-197.
#36
The more I think about it the more I think this really could be the rumoured Mod motor based Boss 5.0L coming in a future Mustang. I was genuinely perplexed as to how Ford was going to solve the bore spacing issues with the Mod motor without actually physically lengthening the block to increase the same. A siamese bore block accomplishes everything the rumour mill says will occur and, unless cooling problems are an issue, does so in a producable package.
Given Ford's past history of dumping aborted projects on FRPP, I'd guess this was HTT's 5.0 block. I don't recall any engine stuff show up first in the FRPP catalog and later in a production car, which doesn't bode well for a 5.0 modular showing up in a new Mustang.
94mm bore x 90 mm stroke = 5.00 L displacement
94 mm bore with 100 mm bore spacing = 6m or 0.236" cylinder wall thickness between cylinders.
FRPP has siamese bore 351 blocks which also allow approx 4mm larger bore than the conventional blocks. However all those Windsor type siamese bore blocks are for race engines.
Also makes me wonder how rugged a 94mm mod block made out of CGI would be.
#37
I would love to see Ford move to CGI...a true best of both worlds scenario.
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Yep, reckon that's about right. The 2010 may well be a heavily reworked S197 (bodywork/engine mods) but I'm guess the next generation Falcon based cars (2013+?) will feature a new moniker as befits a new platform (can you say IRS )
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I don't expect a new engine in the Mustang until 2012. Ford and the media continue to talk about new 4 Bangers & GDI V6's. I think Ford will milk the 4.6L & 5.4L as long as possible. Unless a new small V8 is pushed into the F150.