FORD RACING SUPERCHARGER It's Coming!
6/5/06, 07:43 PM
#102
Originally Posted by Boomer
Don's gonna get a new custom title VERY shortly 
6/5/06, 08:21 PM
#104
Originally Posted by Boomer
Well you HAVE mentioned the word WEAK 4 times on this page alone
Call me a skeptic...hehe
6/5/06, 10:24 PM
#106
That hurts...
6/6/06, 07:29 AM
#107
Pete,
Warranty or not, i agree with Don, i'll build a solid bottom end for the motor and strap on a strong supercharger.
I'm guessing the delay in release could be any validation they want to do to ensure that they won't get bit in the rear if they somehow manage to keep the bumper-to bumper warranty. I'll bet the kit will be close to what the roush kit is in terms of HP/TQ
Warranty or not, i agree with Don, i'll build a solid bottom end for the motor and strap on a strong supercharger.
I'm guessing the delay in release could be any validation they want to do to ensure that they won't get bit in the rear if they somehow manage to keep the bumper-to bumper warranty. I'll bet the kit will be close to what the roush kit is in terms of HP/TQ
6/6/06, 08:54 AM
#108
I Have No Life
Yeah, they'd rather play it safe.
And that's all I'm saying.
I don't expect it to be the whipple numbers at all... even though some people think it'll be the same.
No way they would warranty that.
Proved this with Roush.
The 415-425HP roushcharger is ok
but the upgraded pulley is not warrantied.
And that's all I'm saying.
I don't expect it to be the whipple numbers at all... even though some people think it'll be the same.
No way they would warranty that.
Proved this with Roush.
The 415-425HP roushcharger is ok
but the upgraded pulley is not warrantied.
6/6/06, 09:21 AM
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OK, I'll play the optimist and agree that IF (and that is a BIG IF) Ford does warrant the FRPP Super Pack it will have to be a downgraded pulley from the pure "Whipple" unit. But I just don't believe it and here's why:
1) Ford has NEVER warranted a car with aftermarket Ford Racing S/Cs before.
2) The Roush S/C warranty is actually paid for (if something does go wrong) by Roush, not Ford. I don't think FRPP/Whipple can untangle themselves enough to decide who would pay the warranty bill if something goes boom. And I guarantee Whipple can not afford to back a product the way Roush does.
If this rumor does end up being true you can look for me and Boomer trying to elbow each other out of the way for the first spot in line.
1) Ford has NEVER warranted a car with aftermarket Ford Racing S/Cs before.
2) The Roush S/C warranty is actually paid for (if something does go wrong) by Roush, not Ford. I don't think FRPP/Whipple can untangle themselves enough to decide who would pay the warranty bill if something goes boom. And I guarantee Whipple can not afford to back a product the way Roush does.
If this rumor does end up being true you can look for me and Boomer trying to elbow each other out of the way for the first spot in line.
6/6/06, 09:45 AM
#110
Originally Posted by Boomer
Yeah, they'd rather play it safe.
And that's all I'm saying.
I don't expect it to be the whipple numbers at all... even though some people think it'll be the same.
No way they would warranty that.
Proved this with Roush.
The 415-425HP roushcharger is ok
but the upgraded pulley is not warrantied.
And that's all I'm saying.
I don't expect it to be the whipple numbers at all... even though some people think it'll be the same.
No way they would warranty that.
Proved this with Roush.
The 415-425HP roushcharger is ok
but the upgraded pulley is not warrantied.
Let's say that they are comfortable with backing a blower at 4 - 5 psi, but not more. What happens when a guy slaps a 8 or 10psi pulley on there and the motor pops. Then, before he takes it back for a warranty claim, he reinstalls the 4psi pulley. My gut feeling is that some very smart person at Roush (or FRPP or Whipple or whoever) has identified the loopholes needed to avoid any warranty claims regardless of boost levels.
But, of course... I'm a skeptic.
6/6/06, 10:35 AM
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Yeah, and I read that Roush warranty, there's enough holes in it to get out of most anything. But that's true of most warranty's anyway.
I really don't understand people's hangup over a useless document.
I really don't understand people's hangup over a useless document.
6/6/06, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SixtySix
Yeah, and I read that Roush warranty, there's enough holes in it to get out of most anything. But that's true of most warranty's anyway.
I really don't understand people's hangup over a useless document.
I really don't understand people's hangup over a useless document.
6/6/06, 08:09 PM
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I just saw this Roushcharger dyno charts posted elsewhere. Seems the Roushcharger Eaton M90 blower puts out just a little more power than a modded N/A motor. At those power levels, I can see why they will warranty it. What I can't understand is the price tag for about 330rwhp?? 
6/6/06, 08:55 PM
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Something is definitely very wrong with that one. MM&FF and a few others have dynoed 370 rwhp and 350 rwtq (and the highest I have seen posted so far is 378 rwhp). Roush advertises 415 hp at the flywheel so figure worst case will be around 352 rwhp at the stock 5 psi. Early on, they were going to advertise it at 430 fwhp but decided to go conservative because one of their test cars (which dynoed at the low end of the range in stock form) only made 417 fwhp. Assuming a 15% driveline loss (manual trans) the cars that dyno 370 rwhp are making closer to 435 fwhp. IMO, not bad for a small-ish roots type blower and only 5 psi with no other changes except the supercharger kit. At 370 rwhp and still at least 120 lbs lighter than an '03 Terminator, the power-to-weight ratio should be approaching '01 Z06 territory. I'm in the process of installing mine, and I'll see what it puts down when I'm done. I knew going in that I wouldn't be setting any internet rwhp records with this set-up, but I'm really happy with the aesthetics of the kit which was a high priority of mine.
6/6/06, 09:08 PM
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If I was the guy with that 330 setup, I'd be a little miffed when somebody like me would clean his clock at the track. 330 is my neighborhood, and if I'm spending that kind of money, I'd want to see numbers in this range.
http://www.2005stang.com/viewtopic.php?t=3043&start=0
4PSI....pretty freakin sweet if you ask me!
Anyway
Ford Racing's Whipple Package... To warranty or not to warranty, apparently lot's of people care
http://www.2005stang.com/viewtopic.php?t=3043&start=0
4PSI....pretty freakin sweet if you ask me!
Anyway
Ford Racing's Whipple Package... To warranty or not to warranty, apparently lot's of people care
6/6/06, 09:22 PM
#117
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Ok so say with the roushcharger... you swap a pulley...
My guess..is that it would go 'limp mode' and the PCM tune is locked by Roush. So if you change/wipe the tune and custom it, they are going to know about it.
No reason why Ford Racing can't do the same.
This allows the flexibility in allowing a warranty on a tested item, like the Roush and FR4 Superpack.
I'm not saying they will or not ... but when you hear something like that and perk up... to go back on what they said...would really suck.
My guess... it'll be a tad more than the Roush kit (probably cost a bit more too) but be so tame compared to what is possible.
Good news for that I guess is..once you are past the warranty, you alreay have the parts to create more power... but do you trust the rods...
and if not, you can always build that part up too....and you still have a blower that is capable of higher output
My guess..is that it would go 'limp mode' and the PCM tune is locked by Roush. So if you change/wipe the tune and custom it, they are going to know about it.
No reason why Ford Racing can't do the same.
This allows the flexibility in allowing a warranty on a tested item, like the Roush and FR4 Superpack.
I'm not saying they will or not ... but when you hear something like that and perk up... to go back on what they said...would really suck.
My guess... it'll be a tad more than the Roush kit (probably cost a bit more too) but be so tame compared to what is possible.
Good news for that I guess is..once you are past the warranty, you alreay have the parts to create more power... but do you trust the rods...
and if not, you can always build that part up too....and you still have a blower that is capable of higher output
6/7/06, 10:49 PM
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the farging bastages have released the 2screw for 5.4liter 3valve trucks already. http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=9358
I suppose they're delaying the mustang version because they don't want to steal the thunder from the GT500.... want to make those people paying $70,000 feel like they're getting something for their money, don't ya know.
I suppose they're delaying the mustang version because they don't want to steal the thunder from the GT500.... want to make those people paying $70,000 feel like they're getting something for their money, don't ya know.